Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian (page 5)

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once again tho I think you are overlooking the scriptures where Jesus states that there will be many that come in his name but prove to be ravenous wolves . Jesus was hoping that the jews would recognize who he was without having to tell them , if they were excercizing faith in him then they realized he was the messiah , it did not mean they were christian since the christian faith did not become legitimate until after his resurrection .IMO

smellsgood

Bernadette,

Were you bothered at all by their history? Their failed prophecies? Their lies? Their Child abuse policy? The affilliation with the U.N.?

What has that got to do with whether or not the WTS is christian? Has that ever had anything to do with qualifying or disqualifying a religion from being christian?

smellsgood: I'm not asking as from the point of qualifying it as Christian or not. Those are things that just prove its a lying deceiving false entity.

I'm just curious if your reasons go BEYOND that they load a persona with too much work, and if any of the things I mentioned had anything to do with you leaving the WT?

bernadette

smellsgood: I'm not asking as from the point of qualifying it as Christian or not. Those are things that just prove its a lying deceiving false entity.

I'm just curious if your reasons go BEYOND that they load a persona with too much work, and if any of the things I mentioned had anything to do with you leaving the WT?

I got a bit carried away debating with you and it bothered me all day.

Personally the wts doesn't practice the spirit of Christ cos imo the FDS are focused on their own survival and importance. They say they rely on holy spirit but in reality they draw their strength from slaving the down trodden, from engaging the service and burdening down people who are already sighing and groaning under the weight of living and from child labour and they show no mercy or compassion

Was talking to my daughter the other day and was wondering how they scripturally justify sending children out in the ministry to bring in new recruits. Any ideas smellsgodd?

sweet pea

Smellsgood, thank you for this post - it obviously took you some time to put it together and I for one appreciate it and do not attribute any label whatsoever to you. Good for you for a decent post. Just helps confirm to all of us, new and old, how far removed from Christianity the WTB$TS is! It's hard coming to terms with how we were fooled for so long. ;-)

smellsgood

I got a bit carried away debating with you and it bothered me all day.

smellsgood: Ahhhh, don't worry about it darling, you must have a really tender heart if the very mild things you said bothered you! That's sweet! Besides, what's life without a little debate now and then hmmm? I say what a privilege to put ideas out there you really believe and give them the once over eh? If I never offend anybody in my life, not you, but just in the politically don't scratch my skin climate we are in, at the end, I will have accomplished nothing because I stood for nothing. ((((bernadette))))seriously, don't worry about it. I admit I rather like debating....I debated some hardcore lifer JW's online for a year or so...so I've cut my teeth really. :) Not of course comparing you to them at all. I did get a kick out of tearing apart their illogic, but they didn't come around sadly.

Personally the wts doesn't practice the spirit of Christ cos imo the FDS are focused on their own survival and importance. They say they rely on holy spirit but in reality they draw their strength from slaving the down trodden, from engaging the service and burdening down people who are already sighing and groaning under the weight of living and from child labour and they show no mercy or compassion

smellsgood: hear hear!

Was talking to my daughter the other day and was wondering how they scripturally justify sending children out in the ministry to bring in new recruits. Any ideas smellsgodd?

smellsgood: Is your daughter a JW? I really don't see it as being scripturally justified. It's just a further indoctrination tool for a very tender and impressionable youth. I don't think Peter was an adolescent, and it doesn't appear in the course of history that there has been at any time a childpreaching army. They are vulnerable, and what they are taught, they take to heart. I'm pretty sure that the apostles for example had children. There is no mention of them traipsing around Israel hut to hut to preach. There is no cause for it, and the householders no doubt look at a child in that situation as being put upon and coerced as it were, which they are in fact. I think children need to be nurtured, not tortured. :)

warmest regards,

smellsgood

smellsgood

sweet pea,

ahhhh, bless! Thank you, I'm happy it made a positive impression on somebody! It's worth it then!

bernadette

smellsgood: Ahhhh, don't worry about it darling, you must have a really tender heart if the very mild things you said bothered you! That's sweet! Besides, what's life without a little debate now and then hmmm? I say what a privilege to put ideas out there you really believe and give them the once over eh? If I never offend anybody in my life, not you, but just in the politically don't scratch my skin climate we are in, at the end, I will have accomplished nothing because I stood for nothing. ((((bernadette))))seriously, don't worry about it. I admit I rather like debating....I debated some hardcore lifer JW's online for a year or so...so I've cut my teeth really. :) Not of course comparing you to them at all. I did get a kick out of tearing apart their illogic, but they didn't come around sadly.

Thanks for your kind thoughts. I didn't make myself clear - what bothered me was that I was actually defending the wts and being disloyal to some of the christians on here.But I'm glad you raised the topic as it brought home to me that many of us were JWs because we thought we were following Jesus Christ and it was our love for him that kept us in.

smellsgood: Is your daughter a JW? I really don't see it as being scripturally justified. It's just a further indoctrination tool for a very tender and impressionable youth. I don't think Peter was an adolescent, and it doesn't appear in the course of history that there has been at any time a childpreaching army. They are vulnerable, and what they are taught, they take to heart. I'm pretty sure that the apostles for example had children. There is no mention of them traipsing around Israel hut to hut to preach. There is no cause for it, and the householders no doubt look at a child in that situation as being put upon and coerced as it were, which they are in fact. I think children need to be nurtured, not tortured. :)

My daughter is fading too - we often discuss topics on here.

the WTS uses the example the young Isrealite girl who 'witnessed to Naaman' to encourage children to engage in the ministry.

Yes children definitely are coerced and put upon to share in the door to door work. I'm sure householders feel very sorry for the youngsters but witnesses use the presence of children to engage the householders attention.

very sad

bernadette

smellsgood

Thanks for your kind thoughts. I didn't make myself clear - what bothered me was that I was actually defending the wts and being disloyal to some of the christians on here. But I'm glad you raised the topic as it brought home to me that many of us were JWs because we thought we were following Jesus Christ and it was our love for him that kept us in.

smellsgood: woops, ha ha *ahem* and I thought you were all brokenhearted over giving me stick :) a blonde moment please forgive me, but I still love giving cyber hugs y'know. Yes, there is a distinction between the individual who truly has a "heart for Christ" as the say, and the WT which places doctrines in their path that are Anti-Christ. It's not the individual, but the "spirit" of the WT that is Anti-Christ. They are led to believe Jesus is the head, so it is his instruction being drafted.

My daughter is fading too - we often discuss topics on here.

smellsgood: do you have any other family that is still JW? Congrats to your daughter, did you quit the WT around the same time?

the WTS uses the example the young Isrealite girl who 'witnessed to Naaman' to encourage children to engage in the ministry.

Yes children definitely are coerced and put upon to share in the door to door work. I'm sure householders feel very sorry for the youngsters but witnesses use the presence of children to engage the householders attention.

smellsgood: Wow, I didn't know this aspect very much. I didn't know that the WT actually encouraged it, I thought it was just zealous parents stringing the kid along!!

kid-A

Personally the wts doesn't practice the spirit of Christ cos imo the FDS are focused on their own survival and importance. They say they rely on holy spirit but in reality they draw their strength from slaving the down trodden, from engaging the service and burdening down people who are already sighing and groaning under the weight of living and from child labour and they show no mercy or compassion

This description can be applied to ALL modern day christian organizations, in one way or another. The Catholic church, The Mormons, etc etc. By this logic, there are no "christian" religions anywhere on the planet. Child labour? Are their underage children working in Brooklyn? There are obviously kids in the field service but this hardly classifies as "child labour" any more than forcing a child to participate in religious services in any other christian church.

bernadette

Kid A

This description can be applied to ALL modern day christian organizations, in one way or another. The Catholic church, The Mormons, etc etc. By this logic, there are no "christian" religions anywhere on the planet.

In one way or another

but my comment imo applies in more ways than one

Child labour? Are their underage children working in Brooklyn? There are obviously kids in the field service but this hardly classifies as "child labour" any more than forcing a child to participate in religious services in any other christian church.

The wts:

trains children to distribute their literature

they teach children to focus on a career with the wbts

children are encouraged to spend whatever free time they have in the ministry

I know I am stretching the point a little but I think you are taking my commets somewhat literally.

bernadette

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