Isaiah 44:24 - "I am the LORD who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself" - God had no co-creator?
What about "Let Us make man in our image"?
The Bible Says that Jesus is God - Definately
by Sirona 41 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Mary
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gumby
Sirona.....good Lord. You've been here since 2001 and just now your picking up on the Trinity belief? Can you imagine Jesus being the god of the old testement? I mean ....really?
Imagine Jesus commanding the Israelite armys to slaughter all those kids and women and babies. If Jesus is also the god of the O.T., then he did a 360 degree turn-a-round in the N.T.....and I kinda doubt he had a personality change .
Like I akways say about the Trinity.......have 20 people read the N.T.( who have never read the bible before or have been influenced by it) and see if ANY of them come away with the idea that Jesus was also god.
Gumby
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UnConfused
Didn't they string him up because he said he was God's Son? That was the blasphemy he committed.
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nvrgnbk
This is fascinating!
At the current time, I am not a Bible-believer.
But I agree with both Sirona and Mary.
The NT does paint a rather blurry line between the Father and the Son.
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gumby
I just wanna know who was running the show while Jesus was in the ground for 3 days. I'm thinkin it was Jesus's pa....'ol Jehovah. Seems like everything went to shit ever since Jesus was in the tomb.
Gumby
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needproof
Council of Nicea 325 AD - Jesus became God. Does the Bible say that Jesus is God? Without doubt, in my mind, it does. But does that mean that Jesus is God? No. The Bible made Jesus God, that is all.
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KW13
Jesus is God?
Hate to sound like a dub but to whom was he praying when it was coming up to his death? Would he pray to himself?
What about "nobody can come to the father except through me"
And as some have mentioned, the complete personality transplant?
When he says in John 14
15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.
He refers to a father and he says him not ME.
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Sad emo
What about "Let Us make man in our image"?
Well for me, I believe that God the Father was speaking with God the Son and God the Spirit - God as the Godhead had no co-creator, but as Father, Son and Spirit within the Godhead, they are co-creators.
Maybe those Jews did have a veiled understanding of 'God' being more than one person all those years ago?
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zack
I believe Jesus is God. I DO NOT believe he is the Almighty God, the Father, the Creator of all things.
Jesus is God, I believe, in the sense that the Creator vested everything in the Son save for that which he could not vest--- his own and unique person.
But everything else did come into existence through, for, and by Jesus--- at least according to Scripture. So the Almighty creates the Son, who then creates everything else. And since he created/made us, he also loved us and came and died for us--- not because God necessarily wanted him to, but because the Son wanted to. I think it was the plan from the beginning, but that's a different matter for another day.
Anyway, I have only recently started to think about such things since my only paradigm from infancy was the JW one. That said, I do not think the Jews or the early believers in Christianity beleived that the Father and the Son were the same person, though they may have beleived they were of the same nature. According to Scripture, however, humans owe their creation to Jesus and their redemption to Jesus. I can see how many might think of him as God.
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nvrgnbk
Let's keep in mind that the early controversy about the divinity of Christ simply wanted to clarify of what substance he was.
Human or divine?