WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28.....

by A-Team 212 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Wayne L

  Glenster and others - Since there is only one of me and a whole bunch of you, excuse me if I miss someone's comment or Q.

  Glenster - After looking at your site (page 4, picked at random), I see the level of expertise I'm dealing with on this site. You must know, as any 1st year Witness most likely knows, that the divine name does not appear in the NT because of an unscripural and superstitious removal by the !st century copyists. This superstition persists to this day.

  It was not omitted by the NT writers because Jehovah/Yahweh all of a sudden inspired them to substitute his name for Lord and God. Would he inspire it to be in the OT 7000 times and not once in the NT? Would that make any sense? (This also proves the "book of Mormon" to be a fraud - the absence of the Divine name, Joseph Smith only having the KJ to plagiarize!)

  All 237 occurrences, but one, in the NWT New Test. are in quotes from the OT. What possible licence would the NT writers have for substituting or implying Jesus in any of these places? The confusion arising from the generic God/Lord in the NT can be blamed entirely on the the superstitious, ungodly first/second century Jews. This atrocity led to to the easy acceptance of the Trinity doctrine concocted by the unscrupulous CC, around the same time they infested the world with Christmas and Easter! Don't blame JWs for trying to right this wrong.

  Again, Glenster, thanks for your link to Fats Waller's "Feets To Big" By coincidence, I borrowed a 4 CD Waller set from my library only weeks ago. A bit too much Waller in one sitting, I must say.But I wonder how someone with musical taste much like my own can be so wrong about religion. Have you ever actually studied it? Wayne
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  Wayne L

  Frank - I posted my other comments before reading your latest, so it is out of order. This letter addresses your latest. In a previous post you mentioned 1000s and 100s. Now it's a few. Where is your proof of 1000s of deaths fron lack of transfusions. I've read all about the few. I didn't read about your 1000s. Prove this and don't use the net. I want proof! Anything can be posted on the net, such as this site! And where is the proof of your other claims, besides the net. New York Times, Encyclopedia. That's proof.
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  fjtoth

  Wayne L,

  Why have you been dishonest by denying that you are a JW? You are lying to us, and you are being deceptive with your own WT Society that instructs you to stay away from so-called "apostate" websites.

  Only an ardent believer in JW theories would insist that the name Jehovah was in the original Greek Scripture manuscripts, even though there isn't a shred of evidence for such a claim. There isn't even one ancient Greek Scripture manuscript that supports you and your organization, and there isn't even one reputable scholar who would risk his reputation by claiming what the WT Society claims about the occurence of Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures.

  It was not omitted by the NT writers because Jehovah/Yahweh all of a sudden inspired them to substitute his name for Lord and God. Would he inspire it to be in the OT 7000 times and not once in the NT? Would that make any sense?

  That is pure JW logic or, rather, the lack of logic. You are going by your private interpretation of Scripture rather than by the physical evidence that shouts in thunderous tones that JWs are completely wrong about the name Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures.

  Frank, Can you give major proof of any of this?

  If you truly are concerned about "major proof," how about giving us some "major proof" for your claim, a claim that is completely unsubstantiated by every trace of evidence that can be found anywhere in the world today?

  Frank
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  fjtoth

  Wayne L,

  In a previous post you mentioned 1000s and 100s. Now it's a few.

  How about giving me the "major proof" that I've changed from "1000s and 100s" to "a few." I think you're simply playing games, Wayne. I doubt you have any interest in truth whatever. After all the evidence we've sent your way, you should be saying "Thanks, Guys! I see I don't know JWs as well as I thought I did. You've really opened my eyes, and I'm sincerely grateful that you have."

  Wayne, I was a JW for 50 years. Some of the highest ranking members of the headquarters hierarchy in Brooklyn were among my best friends. Without an ounce of braggadocio, I can say truthfully and honestly that I know far better than you do what JWs are all about. The fact that you won't accept plain and simple statements from knowledgeable persons says much about your lack of humility and sincerity. You will never comprehend the truth about JWs as long as you put up a barrier between yourself and simple facts that guileless persons accept at face value.

  Where is your proof of 1000s of deaths fron lack of transfusions. I've read all about the few. I didn't read about your 1000s. Prove this and don't use the net. I want proof!

  If only one person died from following the misguided instructions of a religious organization, it would be bad enough. But it doesn't bother you, Wayne, that a "few" have died from following those unscriptural instructions. As a JW, you are aware of the fact that more than merely a few have died, but even if the number were in the tens of thousands, it wouldn't bother you. All that matters to you is loyalty to an organization, no matter how bloodguilty that organization is in the eyes of God. Your only concern is for the approval of men in Brooklyn and in your local congregation, not the approval of the Almighty God before whom you will someday stand to give an accounting for your devotion to such sinful and misguided men. How ironic -- and hypocritical -- it is that, though you yearn for men's approval, you are willing to secretly disobey their instructions by visiting this forum and participating in it.

  Jesus asked the Pharisees, “Who will be the man among you that has one sheep and, if this falls into a pit on the sabbath, will not get hold of it and lift it out? All considered, of how much more worth is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the sabbath.” (Matthew 12:11, 12) He would ask Jehovah's Witnesses, "Who will be the man among you that has one sheep and, if a law of God must be violated to save its life -- a law as sacred as the Sabbath law given to the Jews -- will not violate that law for the sake of the sheep? All considered, of how much more worth is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful, and it is a fine thing, to give a blood transfustion in order to save a life!."

  Frank
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  5go

  Where is your proof of 1000s of deaths fron lack of transfusions. I've read all about the few. I didn't read about your 1000s. Prove this and don't use the net. I want proof!

  I think you are trying to argue from ignorance. The proof is right here on JWD look through past threads.

  Blood, Medical Treatment & Depression

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/default.ashx

  By the way my thread for you will be up soon.
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  5go

  You must know, as any 1st year Witness most likely knows, that the divine name does not appear in the NT because of an unscripural and superstitious removal by the !st century copyists. This superstition persists to this day.

  Stop towing the party line.

  The Jews had stoped using gods name way before then.

  It wasn't there to be deleted in the first century.

  !st century

  Your getting sloppy for a guy that puts so much into proper grammar, and spelling.

  This superstition persists to this day.

  Being an athiest I could point of belief in god is a form of superstition. Hence why it persist to this day.
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  fjtoth

  Wayne L,

  It is quite contradictory to say as you do, "I want proof!," and to also make the following unfounded assertion:

  The confusion arising from the generic God/Lord in the NT can be blamed entirely on the the superstitious, ungodly first/second century Jews.

  You are overlooking (ignoring???) at least three historical facts:

  1. The Septuagint was produced in stages by God-fearing Jews between the 3rd and 1st century BC (Before Christ). It translated YHWH as Lord (Kurios).
  2. The Septuagint was the Bible commonly used by Jesus and the apostles.
  3. There is no record that Jesus or the apostles condemned -- as you most certainly have -- what the Septuagint translators did with reference to the divine name.

  Frank
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  Wayne L

  Frank - Even though you are the kind of person who resorts to calling others liars, I will respond because I have a compelling reason to.

  About my insistence on saying that the Tetragrammaton (not Jehovah as you mistakenly infered from my previous) was known in Jesus' day and read by all, I can do no better at this time than to refer you to the brown NWT page 1564. Ignore for the moment that it's their work and read the reference works of others quoted. There is evidence that the Tet. extended into the 2nd/3rd century and was removed after that. This would counter the statement as to why Jesus did not rebuke. Because the divine name WAS used. This is only conjecture for now, but is as possible as the other poster's suggestion.

  There are also non-Witness writers who claim that at least Matthew used the Tet. in a Hebrew version and possibly all the others did in their Greek. This tends to knock down your exaggerated statement that there is not any proof in the entire world. If it were not 95 degrees in my apartment I would dig out other proofs that I know I have. I will post back with those in time. It is not my policy to use Witness literature as proof, but I must at this time. I truly believe that their quotes in this case are accurate because I've seen them elsewhere.

  In your one post, you said 1000s died from a silly requirement in Africa, 1000s died from their stand on BTs, 100s died from heartbreak.

  All I got back as proof was a link to one Japanese woman and your reference to Awake May 22/94, which said "many" (not "few", as I previously said. Sorry). But anyways, how many is "many"? Did this issue give a figure? Was it the 1000s you mentioned? If not, you're a little shy on proof. Wayne
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  Wayne L

  There is no record that Jesus or the apostles condemned -- as you most certainly have -- what the Septuagint translators did with reference to the divine name. The above is what I referred to from memory, not realizing it was from you. The inferrence (from those works cited on page 1564) would be that Jesus and disciples read the Tet. in temple writings which existed in their day, apart from the Sept.
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  fjtoth

  Wayne L,
  
  

  you are the kind of person who resorts to calling others liars

  Careful, Wayne. I never used the term "liars." In fact you introduced the term by saying "Then tell me whether the Witnesses or MacGregor are liars!" That may be your kind of language, but it isn't mine. Either you are lying or you are telling the truth about your being a JW. I say you are lying. If you are not a baptized JW, you are a JW one hundred percent at heart. There is no difference. You defend them and their errors as if your life depended upon it. I think it's hypocritical to pretend that you are merely a detached spectator when in fact you are an ardent JW apologist.
  
  Frank

  PS: Apparently you've forgotten that earlier in this thread you called 5go an idiot.