WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28..... (page 15)

fjtoth

Wayne L,

Don't you think you ought to practice what you preach? You haven't answered a whole bunch of questions that have been asked of you in this thread, and yet you make an issue of a question that has already been answered. I've given the answer, but you won't accept it. Don't you think that's a problem in your argumentation?

I worked on the inside at the WT Society. So have others in this forum. We had access to information that most JWs do not have. We know what we're talking about, and all you have is your inability to doubt that the WT Society could ever do anything wrong. The burden of proof is on you. The Society hasn't disputed what we've said in public, so what reason do you have for believing your position is better than the Society's?

You eagerly grasp at straws to defend your erroneous belief that Jesus used the divine name. You have absolutely no dependable evidence for your belief, but you believe it with all your heart because, apparently to you, it just has to be true. Your faith is on a very sandy foundation. You eagerly believe only what men tell you to believe, not what the facts make crystal clear.

As I said before, you don't care, Wayne, even if a multitude of people have died at the hands of the Watchtower Society. You show no concern when one or two have died, and you don't care if millions have died. All you care about is the reputation of an organization invented and developed by sinful men. That organization is bloodguilty before God, and you share in that bloodguilt as long as you defend it.

I feel very strongly that your mind is closed, that you are incapable of accepting what newspapers, reference works and other sources say in criticism of the Society. I have no doubt that you will remain with this position until the day you die. Perhaps Judgment Day will change your mind.

I'm not going away until people like you go away!

That being the case, Wayne, you're going to be here a mighty long time, if you live that long. We're here to stay too. And long after you've turned to ashes, there will be multitudes of others who will be here to point out shameful and gross errors such as those promoted by the Watchtower Society.

Frank

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Mrs Smith

lol very funny Frank. But I don't think wayne will find it amusing at all. You can lead a horse to water ...... His living in waynes world things are a bit different on his planet

fjtoth

Mrs Smith

He's living in Wayne's World

Good point. I hadn't thought about that, but it's true. Wayne is having one of his dreams bubbling up with lots of fantasies about the Watchtower Society.

Frank

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Wayne L

Frank - As you and everyone knows, the burden of proof lies with the accuser. You take a handful of sensational cases and turn it into 1000s. Or is it millions as in your last post?

In my lifetime of reading three daily newspapers, I've read of maybe a couple dozen serious cases of one issue or another. That's about one per year, including some I probably forgot about. And I failed to find the post where you insist that you proved 1000s.

And I find it telling that you are coming round to admitting that your information is inside information and not available. When you can finally divulge your source and prove it, I will be your biggest supporter. I would also have to know that the members, such as my friends, are in on this and worthy or your condemnation.

Accusations as serious as you made demand proof that would hold up in court.

You don't put "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "Pedophiles" in the same header and require people to search to find what the article is about. I believe that is called "leading".

Personal anecdotes that you and others use do not substitute for evidence. And a poster was correct - Your idiotic cartoons are not amusing!

I told you I was seeking out info on the Divine name, but you distracted me from that for the time being. There are more pressing matters at this time!

fjtoth

Wayne L,

You have things a bit backwards, I believe. YOU are the accuser. For years we've presented well-known facts that we obtained from newspapers and other media and that, in some cases, can be found in encyclopedias. You have challenged those facts. You have said they are not true. Our suggestion to you is to BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS. We know from our own experiences with the Watchtower Society and from other sources that your claims are totally without any foundation. Yet you insist upon them, without showing from any reliable source that the facts we've presented are false. YOU were the one who raised the challenge, and therefore you are the one responsible to back up your challenge from a reliable source.

You also have it backwards as to who is doing the twisting of facts. I never said there are "millions" who have died due to bad policies of the Watchtower Society, but you have insinuated that I have. Note your question:

You take a handful of sensational cases and turn it into 1000s. Or is it millions as in your last post?

Your approach is basically dishonest and deceitful, something the devil would do but not a genuine Christian.

In my lifetime of reading three daily newspapers, I've read of maybe a couple dozen serious cases of one issue or another. That's about one per year, including some I probably forgot about. And I failed to find the post where you insist that you proved 1000s.

Do your newspapers give you the local news from Singapore, from Japan, from the Philippines, from Sweden, from Lithuania, etc.? It betrays ignorance to suggest that merely three newspapers give you a complete picture of every happening in the entire world, including deaths that occur in hospitals, deaths that get minimal if any coverage in the media.

And I find it telling that you are coming round to admitting that your information is inside information and not available.

Are you saying that persons who have spent most of their lives at Bethel headquarters have no idea what the organization is about? Are you suggesting that you are more familiar than they are with what actually goes on behind the scenes? I left the organization partly because of the disgusting things I observed in Brooklyn and at the Canadian branch office. If you love what is right, you would have done the same. The fact that you remain with the organization is evidence enough that you DON'T know what goes on behind the scenes, that is, if you have any decency in you.

When you can finally divulge your source and prove it, I will be your biggest supporter.

You know in your heart of hearts that your promise is a hypocritical and blatant lie. The Society itself has published, for example, the numbers of JWs in Malawi and nearby countries who have died in their devotion to the Society's teachings. The truth is out there -- almost everywhere -- for all to see. But persons such as you who are in spiritual bondage to the Watchtower Society are like those described by Jesus -- persons who have eyes but cannot see and ears but cannot hear.

Accusations as serious as you made demand proof that would hold up in court.

Then why doesn't the Society sue those of us who remind the world by printed page, the internet and other means what the facts really are? They don't sue because they haven't got a case, knowing as they do that what we remind people of is the gospel truth.

Frank

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Wayne L,

I told you I was seeking out info on the Divine name, but you distracted me from that for the time being.

I notice you have this curious habit of excusing yourself from blame and making light of what you call "my puny mistakes."

Have you ever thought that perhaps you yourself are to blame for all the negatives in your life? Something to think about.

Frank

WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28.....

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