What Maintains the Universe?

by metatron 49 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Mariusuk.
    Mariusuk.
    Before it does so, lots of interesting things can happen but ultimately it's going to be cold and dark and motionless.

    That is the likely outcome based on the information we currently have but it is not established fact yet, current estimates put matter at 5% of the universe, 35% dark matter and 60% dark energy which would lead to a continually expanding and dying universe but these sort of discoveries have the habit of being trumped with yet more information which gives a different answer. I reckon 10 years will give a more definative answer

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    To say that the universe is running down seems a little one sided to me. Is light slowing down? Much of the universe is accelerating. Also, almost infinite numbers of areas are increasing in complexity/order, which i think is an increase in entropy. Perhaps some of the universe will be lost into nothing, while other parts of it will be 'salvaged'. Not bad.

    What 'maintains' it? Fields of some kind, perhaps.

    S

  • AlphaOmega
    AlphaOmega
    I am currently working on the idea that all the matter in the universe is "glued on" to God's body (the ether).

    What work could you possibly be doing on such an antiquated idea?

    By "work", I mean mulling it over in my mind, taking it with me each day and seeing if it "fits" with what I see and feel around me. Just because an idea is antiquated, there is no need to disregard it.

    You only disregard an idea when it has been DISPROVED. As an example, the fax machine was designed in 1843, but not popular and accepted unti the 1980s !

    They are maintained in the same way that cells are maintained in our body. By us, not consciously, but by us nevertheless.

    How could we, mere statistical anomalies in one tiny little backwater of the universe possibly maintain the whole thing. How did the universe manage for the 13 billion years before we showed up?

    That would be the fault of my sentence structure, not my logic. I mean that matter is akin to cells in God's body. HE maintains that in the same way that WE maintain our cells. I did not mean to imply that WE maintain the universe.

    How about this for a mind bender ...

    The universe is not empty, but fill of "spirit", full of "ether". Some ether, is more dense that others - so we get matter.

    Ether - how quaint! That might go down well with a New Age audience but for anyone who knows even elementary physics, it's embarrassing.

    Embarassing to who? Not to me. I understand elementary physics - yet I do not find it embarassing ! Who can say that what we say is empty in our limited understanding is not actually brimming with activity in another "depth" or dimension ?

    I wonder what would happen if you added even more energy. Would it make "ether / spirit" ?

    No.

    That's that then is it? How do you know? Have you tried this and disproved this also ? Being scientific, this is a hypothesis waiting to be proved or disproved. If it is disproved then I will ponder and come up with a new hypothesis based on the new knowledge that I have gained from the failure of the first hypothesis. I am not saying any of this is fact, nor am I defending it as such, it is just conjecture in my mind.

    Doesn't Einstein reckon that as something breaks the speed of light, it becomes PURE ENERGY.

    No.

    It is my understanding of E=mc^2 that the energy required to move an object at a speed greater than light would be infinite. It can be shown from this that as you accelerate a physical object you increase its energy, therefore increasing its mass. If you try to accelerate an object to the speed of light, then unless it was pure energy to begin with (what's called zero rest mass), it would require an infinite amount of energy just to reach the speed of light, and the object would have infinite mass.

    If an object has infinite mass and infinite energy, it leaves no rooom for any other mass or energy in the universe, it has "in essence" become the universe.

    Maybe then it has broken free of this universe in which we live ?

    What could that even mean?

    Use your imagination... make a hypothesis.... test it if possible etc etc

    Phew, glad to have got that off my chest. Now I am ready to be attacked

    To avoid leaving yourself open to such "attacks", just crack open a physics textbook every now and then.

    You sound like it is not possible to have faith AND accept science. Is that your intent ? I have several qualifications in physics, but physics will only every be able to OBSERVE and explain the methodology of creation. Some of us here want to journey a little deeper than that.

    If I have misunderstood your tone, then I apologise in advance, but my ideas were just that - ideas.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    The universe is not being maintained. It's ever so slowly deteriorating. Before it does so, lots of interesting things can happen but ultimately it's going to be cold and dark and motionless.

    I'm not sure the highlighted words are any less naive or more adequate to the topic than the notion of "maintenance" (with which I also disagree). There is no "up" and "down" in the process, as the anthropocentric concepts of progress and entropy (which only apply validly to finite and closed systems) suggest. "Creation" and "destruction" are two sides of the same process, depending on what you focus on. Within the perceptible expansion of the universe new "things" (from galaxies to viruses) emerge continually, only at a different pace. They are part of the process, not exceptions to it -- no more than a soaring bird is an exception to gravity, as some of the Ancients believed, wrongly positing a principle of "lightness" against the principle of "weight".

    I think the popular understanding of the "big bang" as absolute beginning is no less deceptive than the old metaphysical notion of eternity which it opposes and/or replaces in many contemporary minds. Maybe we just need pairs of antithetic words like this one to account for what both "is" and "becomes," or "passes," in the dualistic structure of language (to which scientific or philosophical languages are no exceptions either).

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    AO
    <br><br>The universal has connections and interaction, ie, all of the universe affects all other parts, even if very small affects. Based on this picture, it is similar in some ways to a brain.
    <br><br>S

  • Mariusuk.
    Mariusuk.
    To say that the universe is running down seems a little one sided to me. Is light slowing down? Much of the universe is accelerating. Also, almost infinite numbers of areas are increasing in complexity/order, which i think is an increase in entropy. Perhaps some of the universe will be lost into nothing, while other parts of it will be 'salvaged'. Not bad.

    Erm nope this is wrong

    The universe is not accelerating per se, the universe is "expanding" at a rate which is larger than the gravitational force is pulling it back together, this does not mean that the galaxies are literally travelling away from each other, the space between the galaxies is expanding which gives the illusion that the galaxies are rushing from each other. The effect of this is that far in the future the only object visible in the sky will be the milky way which will likely merge with Andromeda, overtime the stars will die naturally or be consumed by blackholes until nothing is left but a void

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Mariusuk.

    Thanks for giving a fuller description of the process.

    S

  • AlphaOmega
    AlphaOmega
    The universal has connections and interaction, ie, all of the universe affects all other parts, even if very small affects. Based on this picture, it is similar in some ways to a brain.

    That's exactly the sort of thing that I am talking about - thanks for that analogy.

  • Mariusuk.
    Mariusuk.
    I think the popular understanding of the "big bang" as absolute beginning is no less deceptive than the old metaphysical notion of eternity which it opposes and/or replaces in many contemporary minds

    I don't have a problem with the big bang being the absolute beginning

    Time was created in the exact moment the big bang occured, there is no "before the big bang", this is a hard concept to grasp

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    Time was createdin the exact moment the big bang occured, there is no "before the big bang", this is a hard concept to grasp

    Lol.

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