Mommie D and others beliefs on creation? (page 2)

Satanus

cindy

Sorry, we get distracted sometimes. Mommydark will no doubt be along.

S

As I pointed out before, the theory of how the universe began has nothing to do with a theory of how life began. The theory of how the universe began has to do with measuring the light waves that come to us from distant stars. When objects are moving towards or away from us that changes the nature of the light spectrum we receive. In sound this is called the Dopler effect. An example of this is the sound you hear from a train as it approaches and passes you. As it approaches you, the sound is high pitched. After it goes by you the sound has a lower pitch. This is because the sound waves coming toward you as the train approaches are moving toward you and are "bunched up" in a sense. As the train moves away from you, the sound waves are pulled farther apart, and this creates a lower tone. Based on this known principle applied to the shift in the spectrum of light, if can be shown that the universe is expanding, i.e., moving away from us. From this fact, it can be determined the rate of expansion, and how long it took for the universe to expand from a central point.

Now, before I get into the subject of creation, do you believe that creation occured in the same time frame as the Witnesses, e.g., six, seven thousand year days. Before we proceed with this, I would like to point out that the order of creation in the Bible is the same order suggested by evolution. Perhaps, God used evolution in the creative process.

Let me remind you, neither evolution or the book of Genesis have anything to do with the age or the origin of the universe. The universe and creation are two separate and independent subjects.

Thomas Poole

Look at the mouth of this SSatan character and his disrepect for our Lord Jesus Christ. He wrote

{quote}Can i give my opinion on who jesus may have been, provided he existed?{/quote}

Note the doubt he tries to introduce, and the lower case j for our Lord Jesus Christ.

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This is the way Satan approached Eve, "It is really true that God said..."

This man is a Satanist.

In the Name of Jesus Christ I ask that the Lord Jesus Christ send warring angels against the unclean spirits within you, Satanist. And that you must leave Mommie Dark alone, in the Name of Jesus Christ, I command the spirits within you leave Mommie Dark and Cindy alone.

In Christ
Praise and honour be to our Lord Jesus Christ

Satanus

TP

Well, you see, jesus only appeared to me one time. I would expect 2 more appearances to be sure. The bible says it takes 2 or 3 witnesses. How many times have you seen jesus? God?

Satan

Thomas Poole

We got you number, fellow.

In the Name of Lord Jesus Christ

cindy

saintsatan,

Please explain these historical accounts. Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman historian he wrote:
" to suppress therefore the common rumor, Nero procured others to be accused, and inflicted exquisite punishments upon those people, who were in abhorrence for their crimes, and were commonlly known as Christians. They had their denomination from Chistus (Christ), who in the reign of Teberius was put to death as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate. "
This is from "Annal of Imperial Rome."

Tacitus confirms many details of the Gospels such as Jesus was executed as a criminal, Christians began in Judea and spread throughtout the empire, and their religeon derived from Christ. He verified the explosive growth of the new religion. (Annals XV 44)

Lucian wrote "The Passing Peregrinus," in this book Lucian wrote the history of a well-known Greek traveller named Proteus, who met some followers of Jesus in the early Church. Lucian provided confirmation of many historical facts that are mentioned in the Gospels.

A Syrian (pagan) named Mara Bar-Serapion wrote a letter from prison in the first century. He says,"What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King?" This is independent pagan corroboration that Jesus was considered King of the Jews.

Thallus a pagan wrote in his book in A.D. 52 about darknes covering the land at the time of Passover in A.D. 32, "Third History".

I do not know how many confirmations that you need, but I have a few more. Most of these are from pagans if not all of them. Considering that most of the people of that time could not read or write, and this was 2000 years ago, and there were no printing presses or xerox machines, I think that this is a considerable amount of confirmation.

cindy

larc,

cindy

larc, let's not get into the universe. The Bible says that the earth was already here Gen.1:2 "Now the earth was formless(void) and empty and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waves." NIV The Bible refers to the creation taking 6 days as to if that is literal or not I can't answer. I can handle God using some form of creation other than everything just appearring but I really do not believe that we came from monkeys. And also thank you Thomas Poole for commanding the spirits away from me. I think.

Satanus

cindy

Tacitus wrote about 115-117 ad
Phlogen about 80 quoted by origin about maybe 200
Josephus after 70
Justin Martyr 150-ad

I put all the quotes by the above together, and it came to less than a page. You have a couple more. Maybe it would fill one page and go on to a second page. Considering that he was supposed to be the greatest man who ever lived, it seems odd that that is all there is, at least to me.

When was lucien? Thallus, if he only mentions the darkness and not jesus, i would exclude.

Thanks
S

Satanus

cindy

Does Mara Bar-Serapion in his letter use either jesus or christ?

Remember too, that jesus died in about the year 30, so even tacitus and justin martyr are writing over a hundred years after the fact. As you mentioned, writings weren't as abundant back then. Were they writing from hearsay?

By the way, in a court of law, if there was a case about jesus, none of the bible would be admissable as evidence, because it is all hearsay, that is second person. Jesus never wrote anything himself. Niether did god, for that matter (tablets? they don't exist anymore).

S

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