Kinda sounds like kids my dads better then yours! So really you just made my point people like shedding blood in the name of god/God/Paganism/Government/Big Business whatever, but its a whole lot easier to blame someone else but themselves.
There no subject on this earth people cannot argue both sides of the issue and claim they have it right. There is no moral sickness that humans cannot justify if the want to do it. (that doesn't mean it right because a person can argue point.)
Thats the reason the bible say all men are liers and their hearts are treacherous. Furthermore, we all read other peoples thoughts and vehemently argue the point and some are willing to kill for mans thoughts.
So the questions is what is the person motive? When that it found out then you know the reason they will die for a cause and kill for a cause and shed much blood for that cause. The reason people come together in groups is to create an order so something can get done. Rules and laws don't allow for everyone personal feelings and it forces a forward movement to accomplish something rather then everyone personal opinion that becomes the rule of law.
Does the group have anything to do with God? Perhaps some of it does perhaps most of it don't. Does that mean people know God's thoughts because of the group? Well you stated the things are so obvious - where those that believe in God got their information from. Well if everyone has an opinion and people have motives what can anyone believe?
And that's point isn.t it, this forum has mainly X JW's on it I am one myself. We were dupe into believing religious doctrine that wasn't true. What was are motive for getting involved with a black and white group in the first place? Was it to serve God or be right on every subject? Many were brow beat into submission because everytime they had a question there was an answer. Some thought yea man I am special I like the idea everyone else being wrong and we are the only ones that have it right.
Theres thousands of people that live a lie rather then leaving the group. The ones that go or are disfellowship are so overwhelmed that if JW's didn't have the truth there can be no truth or there can be no God.
Few of us probably got on our knees and ask God what He wanted in the first place what is the truth according to Him not man? Why because we honestly believed God decieve us. Jehovah Witnesses were taught to hate all other religion and put them down judge them and mock them and they are proud of it. What left after you go that way nothing! Amazing we used the bible like a big maginfying glass to see all the imperfections in other religous groups.
Few of us learn love, peace, kindness the fruit of the spirit. So what can they think if they hate and find fault with all groups then 1 + 1 = 2 then thats the way God feels about religion and man. Most aren't open to any further understanding of God they had the so called truth.
So what does a person do that has a vacuum and the believes they have the right to judge all other religions on earth and their religion is taken away? Do they learn to be more balance from the experience of inbalance. Do they learn to listen to God or man from the experience. Do they learn to be fair and more tolerant. Do they listen to people they once judge as less then human and learn that they to hold their belief with great conviction. Do the realize that God has also been misrepresented by their actions and the groups. Do they honestly seek truth and spirit instead of law and judgment and doctirne. Do they learn that all men come together in groups toget things done and the motives are usually good and for good works. Do they stop judging once they learn if they had been mislead perhaps many other have been just as mislead.
So each person stating so called fact on this thread also has a motive and that motive was formed by experience. So the big pictures is man's history cannot be argued away on this thread or in any book it is written in blood.
