As Time Goes By - Do they all begin to look alike to you?

by AK - Jeff 36 Replies latest jw experiences

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    no other denomination has knocked at my door to tell me what they think the truth is

    And, so doing, this identifies them as special to you?

    I knocked for 40 years. Jesus talked about knocking too - but it had nothing to do with Jw preaching and selling of books.

    "Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU. 8 For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened. 9 Indeed, who is the man among YOU whom his son asks for bread—he will not hand him a stone, will he? 10 Or, perhaps, he will ask for a fish—he will not hand him a serpent, will he? 11 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will YOUR Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him? Matthew 7:7-11 NWT

    Jeff

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    The truth is out there!

  • reneeisorym
    reneeisorym

    I really do respect your choice, Jeff. But I must speak out as a church goer.

    I decided that all religions looked alike that listen to men. Catholics listen to the pope/tradition, greek orthodox listen to tradition, Mormons Joseph Smith/Book of Mormon, JWs the governing body. So I decided that if I was supposed to listen to men, who exactly would I listen to?

    I did find that I wanted to be in a religion that recognised the Bible's authority and no one else's. I know some have their problems with the Bible -- but we're discussing differences in religion here anyway.

    I decided that I wanted to read the Bible by myself and decide what it means. Then I wanted to go to a church that allowed me to believe what I wanted to and didn't force anything down my throat. But still had unified people. In other words -- I wanted the people to all have a joint purpose in worshiping God/Jesus and living a Christian life but the specific details we could differ a little about. I found a church that does that and I'm happy.

    Maybe I'm just hard headed after the JW experience but I can't handle anyone telling me what to believe. The church I found that was OK with that was "different" to me.

  • changeling
    changeling

    Yes, they all look like a waste of time!!!

    changeling

  • cognizant dissident
    cognizant dissident

    I think religion is all essentially the same in some very fundamental ways. I include paganism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam and even Buddhism. They all, without exception, try to explain what humans do not know and want to know. How did we get here, what happens after we die, and what rules do we have to live by while we are here to get the reward after we die. They all tell a slightly different but similiar story to answer these questions. The names and personalities of the supernatural deities who supposedly created us differ but the essence is the same. The rules of living differ slightly from religion to religion but their purpose is the same. Many of the rules/morals for living are beneficial but many are controlling and are all about the few at the top of the heirarchy having power over the many at the bottom of the heirarchy.

    I am currently learning about Buddhist philosophy although I do not consider myself a Buddhist. Originally, this was not even intended to be a religion or required a belief in God. However, human nature being what it is, over the centuries, Buddhist followers organized into very formal religious like structures with temples, monks, rules, etc. Different views and cultures resulted in the development of different schools of Buddhist thoughts with resulting ego clashes, competition and in some cases even violence (which is very against original Buddhist teachings).

    I think the differences between religions is superficial at best. Until people learn to transcend their need for stories and rules for each other and can look with awareness at themselves and their fellow humans and ask questions such as is this action harmful to myself, to others, to the community as a whole, then I believe religious structures and wars will pretty much continue as they always have.

    Cog

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Reneeisorym - I hope no offense was taken here - the thread is not intended in that way at all.

    I think what I was trying to state, was, that I have reached a 'stage' in my xjw time where I can finally see the similarities more than I can see the differences in all these religions. As a Jw, I would have told you that there were MAJOR differences between us and them! Now I cannot see much difference at all, not that that minimizes the Jw wrongfullness, nor does it lump other religions into that set. It's just that the 'preachiness' and the doctrines don't seem that far apart to me now.

    Not to imply that religion is, in and of itself, a bad thing. I don't feel that way at all. Although at this point, and that point keeps changing as I grow, I am not seeing much overall difference in the Christian groups. As CG pointed out - that may be a broader stroke for those familiar with the religious groups he had mentioned. At this point I am not, so cannot comment there.

    Jeff

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    and theyre all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same (but JWs do not go to university and get put in boxes little boxes)

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC
    organized religion, especially of the more 'fundamental' sort, is all beginning to blend into the same puddle for me.

    Jeff,

    Fundies of every sort are all in the same puddle. Christian fundies, Islamo fundies, Atheist fundies, all of them are the same its just the ideology or docrine that is different.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    I decided that I wanted to read the Bible by myself and decide what it means. Then I wanted to go to a church that allowed me to believe what I wanted to and didn't force anything down my throat. But still had unified people. In other words -- I wanted the people to all have a joint purpose in worshiping God/Jesus and living a Christian life but the specific details we could differ a little about. I found a church that does that and I'm happy.

    Reneeisorym found a support group. That's great. A group of people that understand your beliefs and
    have similar beliefs, but are allowed to differ widely on any specifics, and are gathered together to
    support one another in their different yet similar beliefs. Who could ask for anything more.

    I am happy for you Reneeisorym.

    Jeff, keep in mind that these are out there, but also keep in mind that JWD fits the same description.
    We will be here for you while you search (or not) for whatever fits you.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    I agree that religions are all in the same soup. The main thing is that in each one, a leader (or group of leaders) tell you what the "correct" way is to believe about some deity, and in many religions what action MUST be taken to avoid displeasing said deity.

    I was a door-knocker up till my age 39, trying to tell others what was best for them religiously. I've had enough preaching, and I've been preached to more than enough. What I believe or don't is not the business of any religion to try and persuade me.

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