But they think it is for their protection because Satan will confuse them into thinking that things are false which are actually true. Not sure how one would overcome this point.
Reasoning with spouses using the 09/07 KM article
by sir82 38 Replies latest jw friends
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deaconbluez
Yes, this is a very good method to use when reasoning. As I posted on a thread a few weeks ago, I used a similar method in trying to reach a JW friend of mine. It was at this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/137875/2459800/post.ashx#2459800.
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Lady Liberty
Dear Sir82,
WOW!! That would sure get me to think!!! And it wasn't offensive or pushy either!! I think you did a GREAT JOB!!! I cannot wait to hear how it goes!!!!! When do you plan to bring this up??
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
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sir82
When do you plan to bring this up??
It certainly would not be helpful to my cause to acknowledge that I get "advance info" from an apostate board!
I will have to wait until the KM is delivered to us, then perhaps shortly before or just after the meeting where it is discussed, I can bring up my concerns that I have been thinking about.
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reneeisorym
I sent it and now she hasn't emailed at all. It think she's trying to ignore it.
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darth frosty
Devastating logic...but alas most witnesses are ill-logical.
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Lady Liberty
It certainly would not be helpful to my cause to acknowledge that I get "advance info" from an apostate board!
Well of course not! I thought maybe you had already recieved it from the hall. What I meant was are you going to wait until after it is discussed at the meeting or bring it up up when you recieve it.
L.L.
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drew sagan
Conversations between witnesses are very difficult. As soon as you begin to discuss the possibilities of information that is harmful the person will start to become fearful and worried that you yourself have not stepped over the edge.
Remember we are dealing with thought control. I think that sometimes such conversations have a much better chance of working out if they happen between a JW and a non-JW rather than JW to JW. The thought police mentality will pervade.
What I have seen in my experience (and from listening to the experience of others) is that bringing up issues that call the Watchtower into question directly are a big no no. Instead you want to try back door conversations. Let me give you an example:
One time me and my wife where talking about the organizations growth and preaching work. She mentioned something about how it shows that we have the truth. I told her that I used to think the same thing, but then I realized that other religions have grown just as fast like the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists. I stated that such groups formed around the same time that the JWs did (the Mormons a bit earlier) and that since their growth was so similar I never really relied upon it to know if JWs really had the truth. I just said that to me it was a non-issue.
I think her response was something like 'well then how do we know we have the truth then?' I could tell that in her mind she actually had used the previous form of reasoning about organizational growth as a reason to believe the Watchtower. When it had been showed to be a false line of reasoning she then honestly was asking for proof it really was the truth.
At this point I decided not to get into an all out battle about the JWs. A seed had been planted! I simply replied that for me it was the truth because it's core teachings where correct, especially 1914. I said that the main reason we should trust them is because they are who they claim to be. If the facts revealed they are not who they claimed to be then we (JWs in general) would be in a heap of troubble.
I left it at that. No confrontation, nothing too scary but it worked well. -
drew sagan
But I do notice I score more direct hits if he's told me he wanted to know.
Exactly!
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startingover
Excellent analogy!
I originally was going to talk to my wife about this KM, but decided against it. I may have to rethink that, also taking into consideration others comments on this thread. Great stuff everyone!