Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA??? (page 5)

LongHairGal

I remember that stupid phrase about 'locking up a new JW for 6 months...'

In his ignorance (and our ignorance) we went around spouting all the bullshit we just learned. Too bad there was no internet in those days to save us from our error.

LHG

RAF

Thanks Journey-on for answering on this question to poppers
Poppers I've read your next answer ... and well ... I just don't know how you can come up to think that taking experience in consideration can be an handicape (not sure that is what you said and is talking about in fact) ... Again I guess you are mixing things here means something like not letting our past screwing our present and future life (and i'm ok with that) but that's an other topic to me.

RAF: "I just don't know how you can come up to think that taking experience in consideration can be an handicape (not sure that is what you said and is talking about in fact) ... Again I guess you are mixing things here means something like not letting our past screwing our present and future life (and i'm ok with that) but that's an other topic to me."

Of course experience is taken into consideration, otherwise we'd keep putting our hand on the hot stove. One doesn't lose intelligence when living consciously in the present moment. It's just that the mind is no longer a slave driver because it is no longer the basis for one's identity. Instead, the mind becomes a tool to be utilized when necessary and then drops away when no longer needed. Without one's identity entangled in the mind, the mind becomes much freer to be creative and responsive to whatever is currently unfolding before you. There arises a freedom and lightness as each moment changes which is then openly embraced rather than resisted in some way because of conditioned thinking.

RAF

Poppers (can you tell me why you've choose this nickname If you don't mind telling)

Ok I guess I see from what comes the missunderstanding here : The experience I'm talking about is about a proof that higher bad and good forces are acting in this world (to take one example to tell you I'm not talking about an illusion here : we were five to hear the noise to see what it did to the the woman who was bothering us and to see the weird result it had on an object) - if you haven't experience something like that it looks crazy ... Even in my atheist state ... There was no way to deny that.
Again I think that being all different we won't have the same experiences in life to get to same point (or not - maybe we don't have to) ... So when I hear this never happenned to me so ... it's bull ... well : I would say lucky you somehow because you didn't have to cope with what we did before to get rid of that woman - and also maybe this is not the kind of experience some have to go through ... I just don't know the reason why some will and some won't ... but I can't deny my experiences on the matter anyway.

poppers

RAF - "poppers" derives from my last name.

As for the experience you recounted, there is to be no denying that it happened, it's a fact. Nothing wrong with that in any way. How that is interpreted is another matter, and how that experience from the past intrudes on the present moment is another matter, and is the crux of the point I've been attempting to make. "Bad" and "Good" are value judgments - what someone views as bad can be seen as good by another. In each case, their interpretation affects subsequent thinking and how life is viewed and experienced.

RAF

Thanks for you answer Popper (I don't think that we differ on the matter you are talking about)

Terry

I trust you understand my position on respecting people and the right to their beliefs, as irrational as they (the belief itself) may appear. Personally, if people want to believe in the flying spaghetti monster or whatever gets them through the day, it doesn't bother me one bit. Not my business or concern. What is my concern is how we get along, not whether we agree or not. If they think I'm going to die in some global bloodbath, go to hell for not believing as they do, am not as "enlightened" or whatever, that's not my problem and not something I bother to deal with. But that's just me. I'm ignorant, lol.

I guess I view it as seeing somebody drowning and NOT calling for help.

I had a friend who was a lifeguard. He told me how many times a drowning person would violantly resist being rescued. Sometimes he'd have to cold cock them!

Getting yourself into deep water and then having to be pulled out is embarassing I guess.

I don't know.

If nothing else, if you are challenged to give reasons why you do something you might have to actually look at what you are doing.

Case in point.

My mother was a smoker. She did NOT want to hear about it. No way. She had every lame excuse in the book.

I grew up with asthma in a household where everybody smoked like crazy. I was told "It is all in your mind; you'll get use to it." Right.

I never stopped nagging my mom.

We'd have arguments about her smoking.

Fast forward.

She got lung cancer. It took her almost a year to die.

It was the most horrible death imaginable.

But, you know what?

I don't regret one single argument we had about smoking.

Why?

I TRIED.

I tried because she was worth it to me. She was worth more than the cowardly peace I would have had in a truce where I kept my mouth shut.

I have peace of mind about it.

I feel the same way about people who smoke God.

eclipse

I feel the same way about people who smoke God.

Terry, I really loved how you put it in perspective like that.

Terry

I feel the same way about people who smoke God.
Terry, I really loved how you put it in perspective like that.

Thanks ma'am. I'm in the perspective biz I guess you could say.

Twitch

Terry

I am sorry to hear of what you went through with the death of your mother. However I don't see how that is relevant to respecting those who believe in god.

You see believers as people in need of help? That they need you and don't realize it?

Perhaps for those that are exiting the dubs and question their core beliefs about God

Do you think some believers find peace in God? Do you respect that?

Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA???

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