I'm Screwed Up, You're Screwed Up

by Farkel 156 Replies latest jw friends

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  DannyBear

  LoneWolf,

  What are you the lone ranger now, switching horse color from black to white?

  Like VOR you ramble platitudes and spout venom with little effect.

  The fact is oh haughty one of the north, you sound just like the elder's of ole, who could not resist butting in....letting the 'wrongdoer's' have it (their truth) smack in the face, damn the consequences, they deserve a good beating. Eh Wolf?

  As far as your much touted (by you) fierce independence, and self-admired works, you leave to much blood on the floor..for me to pay any attention to what you just said.

  Danny
  (my real name by the way)
  Ps Go howl at the moon...Iam not impressed.
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  VoiceOfReason

  larc,
  Thank you for your kind words. However, I am not a “newbie.” The Voice of Reason has been with man for eons:

  * When Khufu wanted to build the Great Parallelogram, in Giza, the Voice of Reason

  was there to nudge him toward a more stable design.
  * When Galileo was considering capitulating to the Pope, and tanking his revolutionary views of astronomy, the Voice of Reason told him to buck up.
  * When John F. Kennedy had missiles pointed at Cuba, and his finger on the button, the Voice of Reason caused cooler heads to prevail.
  * When disco…. uh, never mind, the Voice of Reason had nothing to do with disco.

  DannyBear,
  You caught the “uppity” and “all knowing reconciling angel, coming to save us wretched lost souls of jw.com” but you missed the levity. Your further posts have become more vitriolic. Be very careful, or I’ll have to introduce you to my big brother, the Voice of DOOM

  teejay and julie,
  The Voice of Reason does not “do” point-by-point rebuttals. It merely offers its near-infinite wisdom and moves on.
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  LoneWolf

  LOL Danny,

  "you leave to much blood on the floor"

  I presume you mean yours. . . The truth hurts, doesn't it?

  Now you know how it feels when you do that to others. Lighten up and give others the benefit of the doubt. It makes life so much easier, especially for you. I know. Been there, done that.

  LoneWolf
  Alias: Tom Howell
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  Julie

  Greetings Voice of Reason,

  Sorry but you have this mere mortal confused. I don't recall asking you for anything much less a point-by-point rebuttal of anything. Perhaps you had an unclear moment when trudging throught the useless and most pointless exchange between Teejay and I. Don't worry, that is Teejay's goal (to confuse and befuddle), but someone as brilliant as the Voice of Reason can no doubt go back and see this clearly, at least the second time through.

  Regards,
  Julie
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  LoneWolf

  teejay --- I don't ask for agreement, for it is usually in disagreement that we find the best opportunities for learning. I do hope for peace.

  I have no desire to beat a dead horse, either, and the idea of arguing a point in order to see who "wins" is repugnant to me. But your peaceful answer makes me hope that a further illustration of the matter would be considered in a friendly way. Perhaps I could "gain my brother"?

  When I was 18 years old and just out of highschool, I went to Southern California and took a job as an apprentice with my grandfather (who was a member of the remnant). He was a house painter. We worked together every day and became quite close, and talked about everything under the sun.

  One day he mentioned the time that he took a job painting the inside of a prostitute's home. I was young and answered, "Oh, REALLY???" I raised my eyebrows and had a big grin on my face.

  I'll never forget his answer. He was amused by my reaction, but said quite soberly, "No, Tom, that wasn't the way it was at all." I shut up and listened, as I'd come to know that his insight into things was deep.

  He continued: "I treated her like a lady, because I wanted to know in my heart that when I left, if she wasn't a lady, it wasn't my fault." That hit me hard.

  Since then I've done my best to utilize his wisdom in that matter and in all my other relationships with others. It has been a source of joy and fulfillment in my life.

  In regards to Farkel, he's had some rough times lately, and there have been times when he wondered if he could survive them. Would you find greater joy in knowing that he made it through in part due to your encouragement, or in the knowledge that he made it in spite of your discouragement? Or, if he didn't make it, how will you ever know whether or not the weight you added was the final straw that broke him? Would it make you proud?

  I don't think it would. Personally speaking, one of the greatest joys I know is when I see someone else grow and prosper due to some small thing I've done, preferably without them even knowing.

  I suspect you feel similarly. The catch is, to land on others due to their imperfections usually destroys those opportunities.

  My best to you.

  Tom (LoneWolf)
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  LoneWolf

  Voice of Reason ---

  Dang it man!! Did you miss your morning enema AGAIN??? How many times do I have to remind you, anyway?

  LOL. Behave yourself.

  Tom (LoneWolf)
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  larc

  LoneWolf,

  Good words from your grandfather, indeed. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I liked your posts many months back and the interesting stories you wove into many of them. Welcome back. I hope you continue to post on a regular basis.

  It seems to me that men (can't speak for women) get more mellow as they get older (like good wine??) and hopefully they gain wisdom. Also, a Significant Emotional Event (SEM) can change one's point of view, or the more hip phrase, for point of view, they have a "paradym shift." Perhaps, this is what happened to our friend Farkel. He has always spent considerable time helping others. Now, he expresses a desire for us and him to be more conciliatory with people. I, for one, will take him at his word.
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  DannyBear

  Lone Wolf,

  The reference to 'blood on floor' was not mine by any means. It simply refered to your tone. A tone that seems to always include veiled whisps of violence, or intimidation. Your responses to many here and at H20 always engendered in me a feeling of 'watch this fella' he is a potential powder keg. You have blasted off from this place, at least once to my knowledge.

  As to your response to Tj I see some application of your own sound advice. Thats good, I agree with most of what you said.

  I guess where you larc, julie, and few other's and I part company, is this notion that because someone reveals their personal hardships, whatever they may be; death of a loved one, sickness, depression, financial woes, common to every single one of us, and then continues to draw attention to these facts, all the while belitteling, or poo pooing anyone asking questions, or trying to discern the intent, the real needs of this individual...and being met with sarcasim and petulence in return, is enough to make anyone wanting to help, take pause. Many like myself enduring such woes as we speak, choose not to wave a flag about it. I may in private emails tell a select few friends some of my problems, but limit my crying about it. That's just me, not saying my stance is the right or wrong way, it's just how I feel about it.

  In fact I went so far as to email Farkel asking a specific question, which he has chosen to ignore. Based on an answer to that question, I was prepared to help him, in a way that he probably will never know now, unless he chooses to send me an answer.

  I just try and think about how I would be responding to the outpouring of love and concern shown to Farkel. I was one of the first to acknowledge farkels epiphany.....and I was one of the first to react to his less than credible reply, to tj's inquiry.

  I don't know why, but Farkel presents a real dilema to me, he obviously needs help, but his demeanor and conduct, keep raisng red flags all over the place, to me.

  Danny
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  AGuest

  Teej, Teej... my brutha, my brutha... peace to you and I have NOTHING but love for you, too! I just didn't want to give you another 'headache'... with all my 'Jeezus luvs you' speak... knowhatImean? But, hey, you and me? We here, dude, (pointing index and middle finger at eyes).

  Miss Julie... peace to you as well, and I am QUITE fine. How 'bout your dear self?

  You asked: "Any good messages from God/Jesus lately?"

  ALL messages from God/my Lord are 'good', dear one. But, actually, yes. I have even posted one here recently. In response to Amazing's inquiry re: God's logic.

  I also keep 'hearing' that I should pretty much quit 'going on' with you... about anything... (which, I think I will obey after this), for again, there is nothing to be 'gained'. Unfortunately, I have been known to exhibit a bit of 'hard-headedness' myself, from time to time, as I am yet of the House of Israel... which IS, among other things, a "hard-headed" house. I have learned, however, at a minimum... to mine own self... be true.

  YOu also asked: "Is he still telling you what to write on this board while there are atrocities going on everywhere?"

  Now that's a good question. Actually... no. My 'time' is about up, here, I think. I guess I am just hanging on for sentimental reasons; I have made a couple friends, who I love dearly. But don't worry, dear... I will move on shortly.

  Now, back to your question, may I ask: "Atrocities" going on where? In my Lord's kingdom? Within Israel? Oh, you mean the REST of 'everywhere' HERE? Now why in the WORLD (which IS 'lying in the power of' its 'ruler'... 'the wicked one')... would my Father be concerned with those... perhaps like you... who do not even believe He exists, or if so, believes Him evil? What OBLIGATION does He have toward such ones? Why would He be concerned with those who are not of His Household, those NOT in a covenant with Him? Do YOU go around taking care of everyone else's children? Are you OBLIGATED to?

  My Father takes care of His Household... and His children... dear Julie... just a He covenanted to do. He did NOT, however, covenant to take care of those who are LOVING this world... and the things in it. Surely, you know that. Those who do not profess to BE His children... are understandably left to the 'designs'... and WORLD... of THEIR 'father'. Surely, you can understand that, yes?

  Just like YOU don't run around getting in YOUR neighbor's business and telling them how to run THEIR household, but rather, just try to mind your OWN business and handle your OWN household... so, too, does my Father. Can you then judge Him... or obligated Him... as any different from yourself? I think not, Jules, dear. And if you can't see the TRUTH in that, well, perhaps that's because when you read the Bible, you picked and choosed just what it is you wanted to understand. Which is what most folks do, so don't 'sweat it' if you did.

  Hope all is well in spite of the delusions.

  Such a NICE girl. From out of whose mouth comes blessing... AND cursing... all at one time. Which one, though, is 'truth', Jules?

  Peace.

  A slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  waiting1

  Hello Voice of Reason,

  Julie,
  I think everyone understands that you're trying to be a loyal friend to Farkel, but I honestly don't think you're helping matters any. What started out as a nice thread has turned into a typical JW.com mud-fest. (I shouldn't complain; it's these rows that have given me substance on this earthly plane.) It's pretty obvious to anyone not directly involved in this argument, that neither you nor teejay is ever going to back down. That being the case, why ruin your friend's thread? If you feel you must win the argument (which neither of you will ever do--trust the Voice of Reason on this) why not take it to the adult/disagreement forum?

  Sincerely,
  The Voice of Reason

  As tj has already brought out, for 3 posts, your ability to maneuver using bold and italics correctly within Simon's use of hotmail is remarkable.
  
  Also interesting, you know what constitutes a typical JW.com mud-fest. - but don't complain because "it's these rows that have given me substance on this earthly plane."

  Another interesting observation - you know there's an "adult/disagreemnt forum." Gee, half of us don't know that.

  However, I am not a “newbie.” The Voice of Reason has been with man for eons:

  It took me a minute to identify the parody.......you're using Wisdom Personified! I presume that you're basing that on the NWT? Very clever.

  Be very careful, or I’ll have to introduce you to my big brother, the Voice of DOOM

  Wisdom Personified was interpreted to be Jesus (in heaven). Then his "big brother - the Voice of DOOM - could be interpreted as the JW God, Jehovah?

  Gotcha.........and whoever you are - you're no newbie 'round jw.com. But entertaining, nonetheless.

  waiting