Oompa, I heard it was a mistranslation about the "70 virgins" it should have read "one 70 yr old virgin".
JW say df/shunning is Scriptural...How do we get around those Scriptures?
by oompa 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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justhuman
Stop mixing according to Paul is the word guys...In Greek the Origninal text is "synanamignio". When do the Christians are becoming one?
The answer is Christians becoming one mixure in the Eucharist, the communion of the Blood and Body of Jesus...
So the person who did a gross sin was NOT ALLOWED to have communion with the rest congregation, and this is how the Greek text it has been understood all the way from the Church.
Only WT, Mormons, and Amish, and some extreme protestand groups understood this text in a completely wrong way.
Jesus is about love and forgiveness.The Church still hold's those principles, because the sinner needs help, and the Church is a spiritual Hospital for the soul.
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Witness 007
Peter dynied knowing the Son of God 3 times which is a sin against the Holy Spirit. He should have been disfellowshiped. Instead he was forgiven and became a Christian leader. Solomon turned Apostate with his wives but his books still made it in the Bible???!!!! W.T.F!!!!!! {My mum hates it when I argue this point.} Jesus associated with the sinners and scum of the earth and taught mercy and forgiveness for all....even healing/curing those who opposed him or did not become his followers.
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AK - Jeff
Here is my take;
1 Corinthians 5 was discussing a 'sin like that that even the nations do not do', then proceeded to name lesser sins also.
My opine on this is that Paul was discussing the need to protect not only the meeting place from sinful influence, but also the home. Most, if not all, meetings were held in private dwellings. No one, then or now, would want a deliberate exposure of guests and their children to someone who was displaying arrogant attitudes toward the general customs of those in the home. So, when those who arrived with the idea that they would promote sinful conduct, they were asked to leave. Meals were often served in connection with meetings and were part of normal Christian hospitality of the time according to Robert Banks, author of Paul's Idea of Community, so 'not eating a meal with him' would naturally follow the admonition Paul gave here.
Jesus' condemnation of sinners never included anything close to shunning. Paul seemed to me to be requiring a clean meeting place, not shunning on the street or elsewhere. The further admonitions against having meals and association suspended were made by John in his epistles, but only in conjunction with 'those who had rejected the Christ'.
As far as those that Paul suggested not to associate with - there certainly was never any kind of direction that such would be ordered by a Judicial Committee, or that such would determine when association would be continued. The entire nature of the Greek Portion of the Bible indicated that these would be individual decisions, and that when one showed no continuance of the sin itself, thus repentance, association would continue with a view to 'building one up in the faith'.
Just my 2 cents.
Jeff
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dawg
When you base arguments on bull you get bull.. sorry bible believers, but most ofd the bible is pure bull. LIke me and some others have siad, the Catholic church is responsable for what went into the NT... and the JWs trust them? Defending bad premises is how we got here
Last night, on TV, a man holding the Koran was quoting it and saying that it had toi be lfollowed, why don't you guys that believe the bible believe the Koran? Its bull right? So is the bible, plain and simple its chock full of bull and yet some of you still quote it,. I say, who cares what the bible says, it also says that god required a man to sacrifice his daughter after he won a battle... its a sick book.