Pioneer Sister tells my Wife If your Raped just pray to Jehovah for help??

by Witness 007 40 Replies latest jw experiences

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  Cindi_67

  So if a rapist comes in to my home, where my 3 kids are sleeping, armed with a gun pointed at my head and tells me that if I scream he will kill me and my children after me, I still have to scream so they wake up, see him on top of me, raping me and maybe see him shoot me to death, I'll be disfellowshipped because I chose not to scream for my kids sake? And all I have to do is pray so Jehovah will "probably" make him get off me? Oh, and I have to treat him with respect and not fight to the point of biting his ba_ _s off, (pardon my french), so I would not be considered a fornicator?

  Can somebody tell me what's wrong with this picture? And since when this is a passionate action in the part of the assailant? Isn't rape an act of cowardness and power, not an action taken because he is just horny and wants to have sex?

  Yeap, it's things like these that make me revise my thoughts when I feel guilty for not going to the meetings anymore.
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  Big Tex

  ARE THESE WITNESSES FRIGGIN CRAZY OR WHAT!!!!! If you don't scream because your paralized with fear, imagine being disfellowshiped back in the day

  There was a time, 20 years ago, when I was told such a thing, and I was indeed threatened with being disfellowshipped for speaking about such a topic.

  The older I become, and with more distance from that fundamentalist life, the more I am convinced that people who interpret their religious belifs literally, and all that, that implies, do indeed leave not only common sense, parental care and concern, but reason itself behind.

  I remember an elder once telling me that "only by blind faith in Jehovah, and his organization, can we have any hope of survival."

  Blind faith. Says a lot doesn't it? And not just Jehovah's Witnesses, but other fundamenalist belief systems. Such beliefs, I have noticed, place far more burden, and don't give a tinker's dam, about the weak, the poor or the defenseless.

  Exactly opposite of what a certain Jew taught 2,000 years ago.
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  momzcrazy

  I would be quiet also, until he was done And if I could I would pull the .357 out from under my pillow and shoot. I would do anything to keep him from going up the stairs to my kids.

  momz
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  VoidEater

  Yup, crazy. I recall growing up and overhearing tales of physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse - it's always the victim that has the "problem" (the imapct of the abuse) and needs to just get over it - and you mustn't ever do anything back, but rather waith upon Jehovah, for vengence belongs to him (and doing anything in response is just vengence).

  I always thought this was bizarre. My question to everybody is: Why would a rape victim ever go and tell the elders anything like this in the first place???

  Because the WBTS sets itself up as "mother" to God the "father" and you cannot trust upon nor reveal activities to anyone else - everyone else is Evil. After decades of "two witnesses" and not going to the secular authorities, it's no wonder people can't get the help they need - they're not allowed to ask.

  Keeping the rank and file in "victim mode" makes them ever so much easier to control.
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  sweetstuff

  The raped party often doesn't go to the elders, a concerned "relative" or "friend" who the rape victim confides in/asks to assist her to the hospital/lives nearby and sees the police show up/etc., takes it upon themselves to go to the elders for "help", because they are trained the elders can "help" in any situation and they are often dooming the victim to more abuse and torture without meaning to.
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  Homerovah the Almighty

  Well said Voideater

  Keeping the rank and file in "victim mode" makes them ever so much easier to control.
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  R.Crusoe

  Sexuality is odd! I recall aged about 15 hoping to God a friends mother would just grab me and throw me on a bed. Maybe it was because I was completely unable to ask girls out due to nerves and lack of confidence. Feeling it my responsibility to make the first move. Plus a few other lads were already in with other women whilst their hubbys were away working - true story! And to my utter disappointment she never did. Funny human emotions! It may have liberated me - which is even funnier! Work that one out and let me know if you do!
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  horrible life

  Nelly136 wrote:

  ***NO Awake! 3-8-93 p. 5 "Myth: A rape victim bears part of the blame
  unless she actively resists." "Fact: Rape by definition takes place when
  force or threat of force is used to gain sexual penetration, of any kind
  whatsoever, against a person's will." "Thus, a rape victim is not
  guilty of fornication." "When a woman is forced to submit to a rapist
  out of terror or disorientation, it does not mean that she consents to
  the act. Consent is
  based on choice without threat and is active, not passive."

  Nelly136, you may want to add the info below, as a side note, that the WT must have flip-flopped on it's stance on inviting a rape. Well, maybe not, this is referring to young children, not grown women. Maybe their stance from this 82 Awake still stands. (My bad)

  * ** g82 6/22 pp. 7-8 "Baby Pros" and "Kiddie Porn" ***
  
  ...Why such interest sexually in young children? They have been promoted by the media as sex objects. Advertisers pose them with their products, provocatively so, with windblown hair and pouting, promising lips. The young especially attract men who are afraid of adult women, psychiatrists say. The modern woman, the liberated female, equal and even a competitor, intimidates these insecure men. But the young girls, sexily attired and posed, look vulnerable, are nothing to fear, and are therefore inviting to such men. Presented as sex objects, these youngsters become sex targets.

  If I am to buy into this garbage, then what about the pedophiles who go after boys? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/147390/2668752/post.ashx#2668752

  I can just picture some old fart, writing this, and "self abusing" himself.
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  avishai

  Sexuality is odd! I recall aged about 15 hoping to God a friends mother would just grab me and throw me on a bed. Maybe it was because I was completely unable to ask girls out due to nerves and lack of confidence. Feeling it my responsibility to make the first move. Plus a few other lads were already in with other women whilst their hubbys were away working - true story! And to my utter disappointment she never did. Funny human emotions! It may have liberated me - which is even funnier! Work that one out and let me know if you do!

  Perhaps you want to post this on another thread, rape has nothing to do w/ sexuality.

  ALTHOUGH, are you saying that when you were 15 a friends mum would try to mess around w/ you? If so, that's NOT OK, even if you felt like you "were OK" with it, @ 15 you are emotionally unable to consent w/ an older parental figure.
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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I attended a class on self defense, and the instructor was of the opinion that it's best to yell as loud as you can. We actually did simulations of how to confront an attacker and maneuvers on how to disable him. I think the class was very valuable and would like to take it again. I hope I never have the opportunity to use what I learned.

  However, it's horrendous for a religious organization to require that a woman has to scream or else she is guilty of fornication.