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brinjen

Welcome to JWD mrose!

I have to also agree with Changeling, life is too short to have regrets, life is for living and celebrating!

I dont know what I want to do thats half my problem, also its not that I think celebrating holidays is wrong (though I dont like thanksgiving but thats for obvious reasons) But I do feel kinda guilty. I havent been to any type of church or a meeting for a long time. I think I was at a passover about five years ago and I did that to make family happy. I havent looked into anything new yet. My husband is very willing to try and learn my past its just so wierd to talk about, and probably because im just not used to talking about things. You know that kinda thing was frowned upon. LOL I know in my heart what I believe but where does that fit in. I guess im just confused........so confused!

The one thing I have tried to do is just live and be happy and not worry about it, but lately I guess its been coming back to haunt me.

There is someone who keeps coming over and wanting to talk, leaving brochures and calling. Maybe im just to nice, or I feel obligated to listen. Maybe im just trying to figure out what is true and what isnt. Is any of it true, can I apply it to something else.

Thanks

meg

oompa

Lets think this through.....people who celebrate things generally are having a good time....Bible Jews celebrated things with dance, wine, feasts, (and probably women). So if people are having a good time celebrating stuff, why would you want to miss out on that...especially when you would be sharing this fun with your kids? Would any superbeing give a rats ass why we are celebrating? If they did they would not be too super would they? And since there is no way to know what a superbeing would think on this subject....then why worry about it...just party...........oompa

mrose0202

Not to be too nosey, but did your hubby know you were once a JW when you married? Do you think it would bother him to know that? If not, then just tell him like it is was.

He knew that I was a former and inactive member I guess. We never talked about church much, we gave presents at christmas, birthdays and such to each other. But it wasnt really a celebration or anything. LOL We have a tree this year and started buying presents, im trying to get into it but its just wierd like im forcing myself to do it. Maybe I need to find a reason to do it, other than eat lots!!!

I guess thats why im here

Gopher

Welcome to the forum, mrose!

I was raised a JW, left it behind when I was 39. I too feel a little strange about the holidays, but less so than when I first was out of the JW's.

The holidays were withheld from me as a child, so now I feel no emotional connection to them. I have nothing against the holidays, I can just take them or leave them.

I think what helped me is that holidays are mainly a good reason to get together with friends and family. Most of them don't have a deeply religious meaning -- even Christmas is really a secular holiday despite its name. So hopefully you can just enjoy the family aspect and giving of yourself. After a while it becomes a bit more natural to participate.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Oompa, give her a break. Maybe Meg's idea of a celebration is to drag her family to the meetings, in field service, and to the district conventions. Or maybe you're right. I don't remember any of those things making me celebrate as a kid.

Meg, welcome! I'm a newbie here too.

Don't be too harsh on the 'someone' who keeps calling, but you might let them know what you think about this: Go to this link http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/ and print out both web pages of this article. Read it. Give it to the 'someone' and ask them "Are there any pedophiles in your congregation?" "Can we check with Watchtower Legal Department to be sure?" "If you found out that my child had been molested by anyone, would you report it to the police or only to your church?" "Are your donations to the Worldwide Work going to pay hush money to victims of child abuse?" Remember, you don't have to be harsh, but you deserve truthful answers.

primitivegenius

first off.......... welcome

ok first things first........ you need to get your head wrapped around what exactly the witnesses do to people....... this board is the PERFECT place to do that. the witnesses are totally brainwashed so they will repeat their indoctrination upon you untill you dont know which direction is up and what color blue is.

secondly............. when you realize how twisted and horrible that religion(cult, publishing empire) is then you will start to question EVERYTHING they ever tried to teach you.

regarding holidays....... i dont know why you dont like thanksgiving............ i had my first with so called "worldly" family this year.......... it was awesome. ask yourself this tho........... what excuse do the witlessnesses give for not celebrateing it? its a national holiday....... and they dont reconize any holiday that the government institutes....... what a crock.

lets move to christmas........... sure EVERYONE knows jesus was not born on dec 25th........... but they will reason that when they harrass someone at the door......... and jehovahs name is uttered............. then thats a good thing........ but when you have an entire holiday based upon jesus.............. now they start haveing a problem with it. they start to condemn "PAGAN" celebrations, yet they pick and choose which pagan things to allow.......... will you find a married elder who isnt wearing a wedding ring?

birthdays............. they say that the two examples in the bible resulted in deaths........... john the baptiser lost his head............ and pharoh killed his cupbearer i think............ ok jesus was first and foremost a JEW............. jews ALWAYS celebrate birthdays....... in fact im sure most everyone have heard of barmitzvahs. sometimes they will pull the rabbit out of the hat and claim its undue glory to oneself........ what a crock. if that was to be avoided at all costs............ why do they announce when a brother is one of the annointed or from bethel right before he gives his talk at the district conventions.

its just pathetic........... they pull reasons out of their butts and none of them are even remotely reasonable.

now halloween on the other hand............ i dont celebrate it........... thats a personal choice cause it gets demonic real damn fast. i dont do it cause the dubs force me or anything i personally will take my son to the harvest festivals set up by churches but he wont be dressed as satan lol.

all the points i made............. its all bullcrap............. make up your own mind and do what makes you guys feel happy, god made you to enjoy life not to live in fear of it.

the witnesses may worship a god who they serve with a fear of displeasing him........ but i serve the true god who loves me EXACTLY like i love my son.

worldtraveller

Totally with Primitive on this. Why teach fear to the Creator instead of love? Now here's some stuff that killed it for me.

Forbidden to eat blood. Absolutely nothing to do with transfusions, but I have yet to find one single JW vegetarian.

All life came from Adam/Eve. Think about this. Their children had children. Isn't that incest? And where did African people come from if Adam/Eve were not from Africa?

No such thing as evolution. So about 30 or so years ago, God created HIV. The purpose was to kill people randomly. It did NOT evolve, because there isno such thing as evolution.

Witnesses are Pro Life, yet they will deny family members their right to life. This incident happened in Washington State just a few days ago.

Denying the afilliation with the UN and Rand corp, as well as tobacco stocks, etc.

And the list goes on, and on. Be careful, your freedom is precious, your mind, yours. 'Till you give it to the Borg.

dogisgod

I'm with Gopher here. I don't decorate. Thanksgiving doesn't bother me in the least (you can tell I am not Native American or a Turkey) In fact I try to work on holidays (more $$$$$) but if I had kids it would have been a different story...just for them. Things only have the meaning/power you give to them.

New here........

brinjen

Lo-ru-hamah

mrose0202

oompa

mrose0202

Gopher

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

primitivegenius

worldtraveller

dogisgod

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