Weirdest Koran Qoutes = "Beat your Wife, Worship Adam, Men turned into apes

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  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    Adam- Sura 1:1 "{Allah} Only you we worship." However, Surah 2:25,26 Allah tells the Angels to worship Adam since he can name all the animals. One Angel refused and became Satan.?? "{Allah} Bow down and worship Adam, then worshipped they all, except Eblis {Satan}."

    What happens to people who break the Sabbath? Allah turns them into Apes!! Surah 2:65 "Who transgressed on the Sabbath, and to whom he said, "Be changed into scouted Apes." {Planet of the Apes???}

    How to handle a disobedient Wife = Surah 4:34 "Men are superior to women....remove them from your bed {sexually} and beat them..."

    I've began researching the Koran but so far I have not been impressed with this poorly writen book which makes the Book of Mormon look good!!! {Errrh}

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    However, Surah 2:25,26 Allah tells the Angels to worship Adam since he can name all the animals. One Angel refused and became Satan.?? "{Allah} Bow down and worship Adam, then worshipped they all, except Eblis {Satan}."

    Well, you know where they got that from.....that comes right out of the first-century AD Jewish-(Christian) pseudepigraphal book The Life of Adam and Eve. The Quran is interesting because it is a repository of midrash and Jewish-Christian traditions (especially the characterization of Jesus, which is close to fourth-century AD Ebionism).

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    Hi all,

    I found the following LONG (sorry) reply to the news item about the murdered Canadian girl. It seems factual and I was wondering if Merry or anyone else who knows could verify if these things are true. I always hear the both sides of the story and cannot figure out which is true... those that say Islam is a peaceful religion and those that say that Muhammad was super-violent and ordered wives beat...

    So here it is:

    (it's from: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2007/12/10/teen-girl-in-critical-condition-after-alleged-dispute-over-hijab.aspx)

    ***
    This comment is to Dana and other Muslims who try to confuse the Western public by claiming because they're Muslim they know everything about the religion. These people claim without a doubt that Islam is a religion of peace, love and freedom of choice. I am also a Muslim who has had 8 years of solid theological study and yet choose not to practice it. I realized very soon that this so-called religion of peace is more violent than you can imagine. There is no respect for the human life when the good of the community is under question. Just a few points concerning Islam and this tragedy.

    1. In the Qur'an it is clearly indicated that "Men are in charge of women" (Qur'an, chapter 4, verse 34). Obviously many Muslim fathers feel that they are in charge of their daughters lives even in adulthood until they're safely married off to other devout Muslim men who then can take charge.

    2. Wearing the hijab (headscarf) is NOT a choice. In Islamic sunna (tradition of the Prophet) it is clearly stated that the Prophet himself indicated at least on one occasion that women should cover every part of the their body except for their face and the palms of their hands in loose, opaque garments. Thus often times Muslim women do not have a choice when growing up in Muslim communities and even if they're blessed with reasonable parents they are pressured into making the "right choice" by their communities.

    3. Islam and freedom of choice are not compatible. In Islam the good of the Islamic community always supersedes the good of the individual and his/her choices and expression of individuality. So if a father feels that the good of his family is being threatened by the expression of individuality of a daughter he is pressured into rectifying the situation.

    4. In Islam the crime of apostasy is punishable by death. So if a person for instance decides they no longer want to practice the faith or they no longer believe in God their crime is grave enough to be punished by death. So it may be in the case that this tragedy is the result of a father taking divine justice into his own hands.

    5. Finally Dana, in your scenario a western male who kills his cheating wife in an outburst of rage isn't necessarily a practicing devoted Christian he's not killing his wife because of his religion. He is killing her because of his own rage and jealousy. Believe me whenever religion is a factor (be it Christianity or Islam) it gets mentioned. For instance, we all heard about Christian parents asking for the removal of Harry Potter books from public school libraries because they supposedly promote witch craft. Was that an attack on Christianity? I don't think so. It was clearly the fact of the matter which put the story in context. This case clearly involves a practicing Muslim taking divine justice into his own hands and committing a crime in the name of Islam (rightly or wrongly) and thus it needs to be mentioned to put the story in context. Why are you Muslims so defensive and insecure about your religion? Is it because maybe there are in fact shortcomings in it?

    6. I thank the God-I-don't-believe-in that we will never have Sharia courts in Ontario.

    Long live secularism.
    ***

    Thanks for reading it -let me know if this is true!

    -K

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    BTTT!

    Can someone answer my above question??

  • darkuncle29
    darkuncle29

    Ka-BOOM

  • inkling
  • Merry Magdalene
    Merry Magdalene

    Beat your wife...

    I think the link inkling posted covered what I would have tried to say myself. Basically, it is important to take into account the fullness of meaning of the Arabic language and the Qur'an and the Hadith as a whole, so as to understand the spirit as well as the letter of Islam, rather than taking a few words or verses of sometimes questionable interpretation and presenting them in a way that violates the spirit and letter of the entirety of Islam. Better education in this regard would help prevent both Muslims and non-Muslims from misunderstanding and misapplication.

    Islam does not condone wife-beating, it encouarges men and women to love and respect each other, and to be gentle and kind in their dealings; it does not condone taking the law into your own hands and pronouncing and carrying out a death sentence or other legal punishment, it requires respect for the law and following legal procedure; it focuses always on personal obedience and personal responsibility to Allah, on fairness, on justice, on mercy and charity. Learning to control your temper and not act in anger is taught as being of great value and importance.

    But you would not know this by looking at Muslims in the media or by the twisted versions of Shari'ah that are the law in many Muslim countries. You would only know this by looking for sources that have studied and understand Qur'an, Hadith, and Arabic, and those who endeavor to live it. They do exist! Anti-Islamic sites and the writings of Muslims who have a vested interested in maintaining unfair and wrongful power structures give a very distorted picture.

    The Qur'an teaches love for women and respect for women's rights. Muhammad (pbuh) lived the Qur'an and provided the best example for us. After questioning and researching this matter, being a new convert, I feel confident that anything that is presented contrary to the excellence I have found in Islam is slander, and I will accept crap from no one, Muslim or non-Muslim or ex-Muslim. I wish with all my heart that all Muslims would learn and live their religion properly, including me! Again I say, correct education is of vital importance to this issue, as are a thriving economy and responsive political system.

    I know there are many that will not embrace even the true teachings of Islam but, whether one accepts or rejects, I would hope that it would be on the basis of truth rather than falsehood. I do not know why people bother to lie about Islam when there are plenty of truths in it people are not going to like and will reject anyway.

    Worship Adam...

    Allah ta'ala did not tell the angels and jinn to worship Adam, He told them to bow. While worship may involve bowing, bowing does not necessarily constitute an act of worship but can be a sign of respect and humility. Unless you believe the Watchtower teaching that bowing in martial arts practice is an act of worship. Again, it's translation and context, determining what fits with the whole and what doesn't.

    Men turned into apes...

    ...the Qur’an refers to those who have incurred the wrath of God as apes and swine, which is an old Arabic analogy for those who are lawless like apes and have succumbed to gluttony and sexual license like pigs.

    Hi Kudra. Hope some of that helps. If not, feel free to ask me anything anytime. I may not read all the threads though, so pm me if I don't answer. Do have a look at that apologist link. And, oh dear, I've forgotten who started this thread, but hello I hope you continue researching and reading. If you think I can be of any assistance, please let me know.

    If I have said anything wrong, may Allah ta'ala correct and forgive me.

    ~Merry

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07

    This is exactly the same as when someone says something critical about the Bible or about Jehovah's Witnesses (for example). Those who are believers will rationalize it, smooth it over, find apologetics for it, while those who don't believe will point out what the naked text says. The text of course, is then said to be "mistranslated or misrepresented or taken out of context, or taken out of historical context" etc. etc.

    It's the same basic deal. A few years ago I would have defended the no-blood doctrine and thought I had solid reasons for it. After all - if you refuse to take a blood transfusion in this life and you die because of it, you'll get a resurrection, so where's the harm, right? Right?

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    I can't see how anyone can say Islam doesn't condone wife beating when there are verses that say it must be done. If the overall message is one of love and peace, why add those verses in? Why does it say to beat them?

    "Oh it says that but it doesn't mean that!"

    What? Read it! It says to beat them, are you blind? Is 'beat' a mistranslation of 'kiss'?

    How can the overall message contradict that? Are there verses that say 'Oh yeah those beating verses, ignore them!'? No. Are there some more peaceful verses in the koran? Sure. Do they cancel out the bad ones? Not unless you decide in your own head that they should, in which case you're following your own morality and not that of the koran.

    Sam Harris made a good point in a debate. He said "Imagine the koran had one more verse in it which said something like 'If a red haired woman walks on your lawn and it's a Friday, kill her'. Everything else in the book is the same, except that verse has been added. We'd be seeing red haired women being killed by Muslims, and apologists saying 'That's not true Islam! That's not the real message of Allah, the verse needs to be seen in context.' The problem isn't that those murdering didn't understand what the koran was saying, it's that they did. The moderates are on the wrong side of the theological argument."

  • sweetstuff
    sweetstuff

    Merry, honestly, I am completely confused by what you said about Mohammed being such a great example, he married multiple women, one of whom was VERY young, Aisha, I believe her name was, he wrote in the Quran that women make up most of hell, that women are inferior. May I ask, what made you convert to Islam? I am just curious, because it seems from where I am sitting you are hoping for an Islam you want to see, rather than the one that in reality exists.

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