How do angels and demons influence mankind? (page 5)

onacruse

Well, the incubus and succubus thing was not exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread...maybe you guys should go over to the "Nephilim" thread? LOL

VoidEater

The only thing I remember from the platform is that "they lead you into temptation".

But I didn't take it too seriously since jehovah would never allow anyone to be "tested beyond their capacity".

I said, “LORD, be merciful to me;
Heal my soul, for I have sinned against You.”
My enemies speak evil of me:
“When will he die, and his name perish?”
And if he comes to see me, he speaks vain words;
His heart gathers iniquity to itself;
When he goes out, he tells it.

All who hate me whisper together against me;
Against me they devise my hurt.
“An evil disease,” they say, “clings to him.
And now that he lies down, he will rise up no more.”
Even my own familiar friend in whom I trusted,
Who ate my bread,
Has lifted up his heel against me.

But You, O LORD, be merciful to me, and raise me up,
That I may repay them.
By this I know that You are well pleased with me,
Because my enemy does not triumph over me.As for me, You uphold me in my integrity,
And set me before Your face forever.

Blessed be the LORD God of Israel
From everlasting to everlasting!
Amen and Amen and Amen. Psalm 41:4-13

love michelle

searcher

I find it impossible to believe that man is just some sort of mindless puppet, standing around waiting to be possesed and controlled by warring 'puppet masters' (Angels and Demons).

As if the governing body wasn't enough.

True, am glad I was never a JW.

distazo

Hello All,

I like watching films, thrillers. One of them showed a psycho who wanted to be a normal person near people in the 'normal world', he went crazy for some reason in his youth, but nobody could see to his face, he was dangerous.

So He started to be a serial killer. This film was based upon a true story. He loved to trick young women into his car, made love (or raped her) then cut the troat. The interviewer asked what he felt. He felt a great sensation of power. Indeed, human can be addicted to power. If they mean zero, nothing, killing is a way to have absolute power over life and death!

When he left the rotting body somewhere near a river, he came back regularry and masturbated near the rotten victims because he felt it again.

Now back to the demons. I think they are 'spirtually' sick. They are made like us, but they are spirits. They feel power by misabusing humans and they love to come back at old victims. For the last thing I remember a documentary at Discovery about a haunted house :)

We have a lot in common with angels. :)

Cheers all.

OBVES

When we study the Bible we must recognize it is from God Yahweh . We have to bear in mind it is God's Word . The Bible is a reflection of the infinte mind of God Yahweh. And we under no condition are to discredit the Bible. You may not find the answers to many issues but there might be other people who understand or the right understanding may come hundreds years later !

How angels and demons can influence the evil people ?

They have the powers to do so and God allows them to influence people .

They can be on a far distant planet in this universe , say 1000 light years away and they can know what is going on on our earth .

You have to understand how God gives power to man to do things .

Every movement of matter is by God's power. So if you lift your hand to kill a chicken God executes your special way of thinking as He moves the matter ( each particle of your hand ) . He does so as He gave the power to man to live and do things.

Angels can be thousands light years away but by doing some operations they can influence people within the given limits .

To make it simple to understand .An angel is taking some time from his life on another distant planet and sits down like you can sit and work with the computer and by pressing proper buttons that represent something he can influnce somebody to do something.

A demon can also use special equipment being on another distant planet ( his living place) and the buttons he presses represent different kinds of influences he can do on people on earth.

If you are under influence of a demon he can press one button on his equipment that represents a fire to make you angry and blame God and your house is burned here on earth . The fire is a physical process and of course God Yahweh creates any fire ! Any physical process that takes place in this universe is done by the power of God. But since God gave some powers to other beings He executes their thinking - powers.

It is God Yahweh that creates each and every snowflake fallling on earth and you can collect some flakes and make a ball and hit somebody maliciously .

The movement of the snowball is of course the movement of matter and God moves and sustains each particle of the universe .So, by His power given to you to live you can think in such specific way that your hand moves by the movement of your hand is taking place by God's power that moves matter.God Yahweh is everywhere in every part of the universe- in every particle !

inkling

by pressing proper buttons that represent something he can influnce somebody to do something.

Right. We are robots. Thanks for clearing that up.

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OBVES

And note if you misunderstood my simple explanations how in the world you could come to understanding on your own how angels and demons influence people !

The workings of angels and demons are secret ! Try to decode the workings of the most secretive organization. It is like trying to go into details how the best-organized spy agency is working .

You should learn some tacticts the agents can use to hide their activities.

The Bible has numerous secrets that must be decoded and it may take generations to uncover them.

So is with the learning how angels or demons can work . Using common sense which most people lack when they face the Bible can already give some good results.

A demon doesn't have to exert his influence on many people.

Suppose he has an access to his special apparatus one hour a day on a distant planet ( millions light away from our earth ).He must use the time most efficiently to bring desired results if he wants to sleep restfully without other demons kicking him in the stomach for doing nothing in one hour period he was permitted.

So , the demon ( identified as ,say, " A16478 " has a vision of what is going on earth and he now must use the time in the best possible way .He will not try influence a regular guy on earth but a person who has a huge influence on world events. He will pick up the best protestant preacher to deceive his many followers farther away to keep them in a false religion.He will pick up someone like the president of a country who will establish laws forbidding Jehovah's Witnesses activities etc.

Humans have sinful weak nature that influneces their patterns of life and demons mostly are not needed to influence what people do !

Influence on the part of demons does't necessarily mean people under such influence must do the bad things - the final decision what to do lies with people.

You confused the influence with the very acts that can be a result of influence but it doesn't have to be that way.

onacruse

Hello distazo.

Now back to the demons. I think they are 'spirtually' sick. They are made like us, but they are spirits.

In what way are they "made like us"? By definition, a "spirit being" is not like us mere mortals of flesh and bone and blood (and so say the scriptures). They cannot be seen by mortal eyes, nor can they be detected by any instrumentation. In fact, insofar as the Bible indicates, a spirit being does not even suffer the 'ordinary' ravages of sin: inevitable decline and death of their spiritual organism. They can only be destroyed by Divine Fiat.

myelaine

dear onacruse..

"In fact, insofar as the Bible indicates, a spirit being does not even suffer the 'ordinary' ravages of sin: inevitable decline and death of their spiritual organism. They can only be destroyed by Divine Fiat."

For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to THE Spirit will of THE Spirit reap everlasting lfe...For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision or uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. Galatians 6:8,15.

love michelle

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