One wonders if the hundreds of thousands or perhaps even millions that surrendered themselves to be martyred for the Christian cause throughout the centuries from 100AD until now, have done so in vain. Not to mention those that led chaste and saintly lives though never martyred.
It shows the fiendish arrogance of the JWs, to write off so easily with one stroke the labours of so many fine people, everything they accomplished was in vain! This reveals so clearly that they are a ruthless vicious enemy of the Christian church. Not surprising given their masonic occultic connections at least during the first half of their existence.
144 000 blasted by the MATH (WT lying again)
by hamsterbait 36 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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greendawn
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Chalam
Hi greendawn,
"One wonders if the hundreds of thousands or perhaps even millions that surrendered themselves to be martyred for the Christian cause throughout the centuries from 100AD until now, have done so in vain."
Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version)
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Well expect there are many. Hitler sent many JWs to their death and my belief is that they died in vain. I expect there will be other false beliefs we can include in similar circumstances.
"Not to mention those that led chaste and saintly lives though never martyred."
Well our best efforts don't amount to much in God's eyes. Only God's grace will save us.
"It shows the fiendish arrogance of the JWs, to write off so easily with one stroke the labours of so many fine people, everything they accomplished was in vain!"
See what God has to say.
Isaiah 64:6 (New International Version)
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
"This reveals so clearly that they are a ruthless vicious enemy of the Christian church. Not surprising given their masonic occultic connections at least during the first half of their existence."
I agree but I do not count them as the enemy, only the 'father of lies' behind their organisation. My biggest problem with the JWs is their point of view regarding Jesus. My Bible has these nuggets regarding Him.
Philippians 2:9
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name.
Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
Romans 10:13
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
John 14:8-9
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
I could go on but you get the gist. Yes, Jesus is the most important name in history and He is the one who forgives sins. Make sure you call upon His name and not the name of Jehovah. Yes He is God as John 10:30 simply states.
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Must obey!
LOL John 10:30 doesn't simply state Jesus is God. Read the context for pity sake.
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Chalam
"LOL John 10:30 doesn't simply state Jesus is God. Read the context for pity sake."
So what is your take on the verse?
OK consider these two from the NWT
Isaiah 45
Is it not I, Jehovah, besides whom there is no other God; a righteous God and a Savior, there being none excepting me?
22 “Turn to me and be saved, all YOU [at the] ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no one else. 23 By my own self I have sworn—out of my own mouth in righteousness the word has gone forth, so that it will not return—that to me every knee will bend down, every tongue will swear, 24 saying, ‘Surely in Jehovah there are full righteousness and strength.
Philippians 2
10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground
So there are no other Gods before Jehovah and every knee will "bend" to worship Him but the same is applicable to Jesus. Very interesting in the light of all the other verses like John 10:30.
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cultswatter
I've already found out exactly how the WTS calculated the partakers since 1950. I made the discovery about 1 year ago but did not release the details for obvious reasons. There is a simple equation that explains the whole mystery quite nicely. Of course I won't release the equation or the explanation of it's meaning unless I get some interest I think if I release the equation it will show how the WTS cooked the books. That is why the partakers were almost flatlined for 20 years. These partaker numbers are all totally faked. The recent dramatic increase in partakers is just a change in the way the WTS calculates the numbers to hide their past book cooking
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JWdaughter
Cultwatter, if you don't tell all your little secrets, I will cross the border (I HAVE a passport) and find you! You will give out the information now, won't you??:)
I am interested in the information you have. Please post. Gas just hit $100 a barrel and asking around for you could get $$$:) -
greendawn
Chalam I agree with you that the JWs have marginalised Jesus to an extend that makes their so called Christian nature false and deceptive. They focus almost exclusively on jehovah and to me that exposes their religion as Judaism in disguise.
It's not all about the church, the body, of Christ but rather the organisation of jehovah and they have openly stated that they are the wife of jehovah rather than the bride of the lamb. Sounds like judaism to me.
But I don't agree with the way you dismiss what are no doubt large numbers of honest Christian men and women throughout the Christian era that's nearly 2000 years long. Indeed not all so called Christians are genuine and most are not but even a very small percentage of genuine ones from the vast number of total Christians over two millenia amounts to a very large number.
You may still be influenced by the JW attitude which requires absolute ideological doctrinal purity to validate someone as a christian but that is an extreme view. It's keeping the essence of the Christian ideology that really matters. The JWs themselves have made a total mess of doctrine regarding many issues and they keep changing them silently admitting that the previous versions were erroneous.
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Chalam
Hi greendawn,
Thanks for your post. Please see below.
"Chalam I agree with you that the JWs have marginalised Jesus to an extend that makes their so called Christian nature false and deceptive. They focus almost exclusively on jehovah and to me that exposes their religion as Judaism in disguise."
Well I agree totally regarding Jesus. They demote Him in many ways such as changing all the verses which read "worship" to "obeisance" in the later versions of the NWT. It is no surprise that my Bible says they is one way into God's Kingdom and that is through Jesus.
Also imperative doctrines such as being "born again" and eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus, symbolized in eating break and drinking wine are for only a very select few JWs.
"It's not all about the church, the body, of Christ but rather the organisation of jehovah and they have openly stated that they are the wife of jehovah rather than the bride of the lamb. Sounds like judaism to me."
The Jews have their own issues. They are God's chosen people but Paul clearly lays out that their path into the Kingdom is no different to our now. Romans 9/10/11 is a good place to start to understand this. I think there will be plenty of Jews in the Kingdom but absolutely no Jehovah's Witnesses due to their totally flawed beliefs regarding Jesus.
"But I don't agree with the way you dismiss what are no doubt large numbers of honest Christian men and women throughout the Christian era that's nearly 2000 years long. Indeed not all so called Christians are genuine and most are not but even a very small percentage of genuine ones from the vast number of total Christians over two millenia amounts to a very large number. "
I need to check what was discussed before but to make it clear, there will be a vast number of people who have entered the Kingdom through Jesus in the last 2000 years and are saved.
"You may still be influenced by the JW attitude which requires absolute ideological doctrinal purity to validate someone as a christian but that is an extreme view. It's keeping the essence of the Christian ideology that really matters. The JWs themselves have made a total mess of doctrine regarding many issues and they keep changing them silently admitting that the previous versions were erroneous."
Just to make it clear, I have never been a JW or will be! I am only studying their doctrine because I have a friend who is, an extended family member who had one foot in the "Kingdom Hall" and plenty of JWs who have brought their brand of "good news" (usually that millions will die at Armageddon!) to my door.
The issue of changing doctrine is totally important. The WTO keeps changing their mind on many issues (important ones are about Jesus) but this is clearly against the Bible which says that God does not change (Malachi 3:6). The JWs claim this is because of 'further revelation' but how can God keep on contradicting himself?!
"As for faith alone, that will save no one without works to match even if ultimately works themselves on their own can't save anyone either."
Important issue. This explains it all.
Matthew 7 (New International Version)
A Tree and Its Fruit
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
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greendawn
Hi again Chalam, in the end we seem to agree on everything and the really important issue of how in essence the JWs reject Jesus, as He said:
"unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you will not have eternal life." that is something the JWs do not do except a very small supposedly elite number of them.
As for the Jews I suppose you mean those that will eventually accept Jesus because at least all the religious Jews take guidance from the Talmud which is fiercely hostile to Jesus refering to him as the son of a whore (Mary) and a satanic sorcerer that is now burning in hell, such people clearly hate the Christ and will never be part of His kingdom. Not much change from the days of the Pharisees.