Blood (page 10)

The Oracle

Okay Aleman. Thanks for answering that question honestly.

I would like to ask you another question.

If YOU were suddenly given the powers of God how would you solve mankind's problems?

Would you also choose to murder over 6 billion people personally?

And as you watched each old man and woman, young child, and baby die as you wrapped your fingers around each of their throats, over 6 billion times in a row, would you also declare that "I am Aleman" before they expired so that they knew who was murdering them?

Would this be your best plan to solve mankind's problems.

Honestly. Think about it.

If you were given the power tonight, could you do it? Could you really strangle that many people to death and let them all know it was you, who was doing it? Could you reallyforce yourself to be that evil. That murderous?

Now if your sense of morality would not allow you to go on such an evil murderous spree, what makes you think that God would do it? Is your sense of morality better than God's? Is that reasonable?

.....standing by for your comments (and hoping that your awakening is beginning.....the world really does become a wonderful place when you shake free of the WT's warped view of things)

The Oracle

marmot

I'll ask it again, you pathetic coward: what scriptural basis is there for condemning the transfusion of white blood cells, which make up less than one percent of whole blood and occur in great quantities in breast milk, while allowing the use of albumin which makes up 2.2 percent of whole blood?

People have DIED because of this talmudic BULLSHIT crafted by a group of privileged old white men in Brooklyn for no valid scriptural or medical reason whatsoever! The only reason for the blood policy is PRIDE! Pride in being "different" from mainstream religions no matter the costs, even if it goes against the very principles of love and reason taught by Jesus.

I ask it again, answer me you COWARD!

momzcrazy

Vinny

FatfreEk says:..."I have a suspicion and a theory that Aleman is one of us simply posting under a different avatar. .... As a result, lurkers will more frequently be exposed to weak JW positions as compared to the strong rebuttals that are offered here. I'd throw in the intentionally misspelled word or two in most sentences to emphasize how so many JW's lack the basic education that was forced on them by the Society. Just a theory"

****** The reason I'd have to disagree with you on this idea is because I have debated with literally HUNDREDS OF JW's online and dozens of JW's in person since doing my own careful examinations and coming to my own conclusions that the WT Society is WRONG ON BLOOD.

I still receive e-mail notices from Danny Haszard about online JW articles where JW's will often show up and do exactly what Aleman has done here. Which is GET BURIED and then GET OUT OF DODGE.

I was just on Beliefnet a couple weeks ago and the very same thing happened there as well. The JW's always get TROUNCED whenever they try debating blood. And then they find another thread to start on another subject. But the undeniable fact is that they ALWAYS LOSE ON BLOOD.

I am not exaggerating when I tell you what you see here with Aleman, is simply PAR FOR THE COURSE.

Most JW's are not even aware of all the changes and flip flopping with blood, vaccinations, organ transplants etc. Most learn about these things from EX-JW's, as did I.

The other fact is that even the most capable of JW's cannot defend this sorry policy. I have seen Rolf Furuli get buried and then head for the hills when debating blood.

The JW's simply cannot say they "abstain from blood" while also allowing JW's to take FRACTIONS OF BLOOD. Fractions of blood come from one source only; BLOOD ITSELF.

Fractions OF BLOOD.

The JW's were better off just saying no to all blood period. Even then they are completely wrong having misapplied what the bible actually says. But at least they could say they were consistent. By allowing fractions of blood, but at the very same time trying to tell us they fully abstain from blood, they have not only misapplied what the bible says, but are also double standard hypocrites now.

By taking FRACTIONS of blood from the world's blood supply, but not being allowed to donate any blood BACK to this very same blood supply, they have misapplied what the bible says, are double standard hypocrites and also immoral IDIOTS that really seem to lack the most basic of common sense on this issue.

By being allowed to use Hemopure (made from Cow's blood), and being allowed to accept fractions of blood (donated from from other people), but NOT being allowed to even STORE THEIR OWN BLOOD, for ANY emergency use, the JW's have misapplied what the bible says, are double standard hypocrites and also immoral IDIOTS that really seem to lack the most basic of common sense on this issue, and are owners of a policy with more holes than swiss cheese which is a complete embarrassment and black eye to the WT Society by any human that takeS the time to examine it all.

Which is precisely why sorry folks like Aleman are stuck having to defend this gargantuan mess the WTS has created for itself. And the results of such efforts are plain to see for any reasonable person reading this thread or other attempts to debate this same subject elsewhere.

It gets embarrassingly ugly every single time.

The reason most JW's like Aleman deny the facts as they actually are is because it would shoot down the WT Society's ONE TRUE FAITH self applied titles and claims IN A BALL OF FLAMES.

And THAT is just too much to deal with.

So we get what we see right here on this thread. Pathetic attempts to defend this horrendous policy. Questions unanswered. Posted WT Society rhetoric and an unmistakable debate BEATING every single time a JW even bothers to show up.

Some things never change.

Aleman

Rabbit,

As far as bloodguilty goes; the JWs give the information to everyone and so do all the doctors, it is a personal desision whether they want a blood transfusion or not. I was always taught to always find information of any thing no matter how little it is.

But honestly, Your mom chose not to have a blood transfusion, the JWs did not choose this desision for her. Let it go already. She will soon be alive and well without any sickness or death to follow her around. Rev. 20:12-14.

-Aleman

The Oracle

momzcrazy,

did I ever tell you, how cool I think you are?

just sayin'

The Oracle

jwfacts

Genesis 9:3-6 says "Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU . As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU .Only flesh with its soul—its blood— YOU must not eat.And, besides that, YOUR blood of YOUR souls shall I ask back. From the hand of every living creature shall I ask it back; and from the hand of man, from the hand of each one who is his brother, shall I ask back the soul of man. Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image he made man."

Aleman, you make the classic JW error of reading what you want to read, not what is being said. For instance, see above. Gen actually says "Only flesh with its soul—its blood— YOU must not eat." This was a command against eatting an unbled animal, and was not about eatting blood.

Acts 15:28,29 says: "For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU , except these necessary things,to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication.

Acts tells us things sacrificed to idols is also wrong yet Paul tells us that they are not. Rather, it is only wrong if doing so would stumble someone. This was only an issue in congregations that were having trouble between Judaizers and Gentiles. The same principal applies to blood.

1 Corinthians

1 Corinthians 10:25-33 "Everything that is sold in a meat market keep eating, making no inquiry on account of YOUR conscience; for "to Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it." If anyone of the unbelievers invites YOU and YOU wish to go, proceed to eat everything that is set before YOU, making no inquiry on account of YOUR conscience. But if anyone should say to YOU: "This is something offered in sacrifice," do not eat on account of the one that disclosed it and on account of conscience. "Conscience," I say, not your own, but that of the other person. For why should it be that my freedom is judged by another person's conscience? If I am partaking with thanks, why am I to be spoken of abusively over that for which I give thanks? Therefore, whether YOU are eating or drinking or doing anything else, do all things for God's glory. Keep from becoming causes for stumbling to Jews as well as Greeks and to the congregation of God, even as I am pleasing all people in all things, not seeking my own advantage but that of the many, in order that they might get saved."

http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/blooddoctrine.htm