This is exactly the same content, almost word for word, as the talks given in the middle 1960's counseling against going to college. So I didn't. Not too much of a problem then. The Viet Nam war was raging; universities were less of an educational facility than a platform for war protests. When the slaughtering at Ohio State took place, I was pretty glad I wasn't there. I kept my kids out of any programs that would put them in line for "higher education." Now, all grown up and no place to go, divorced and working 8-5 for an hourly wage that barely pays my way, and seeing my now grown children struggle with self esteem and finances, I wish I had taken the high road and done what I needed and wanted to do back then and gone to school. I wish I had allowed my children to pursue their own purpose in life and make their own choices. But I am truly perplexed, as well. Less than 10 years ago the WT allowed that some might truly need to go to college for some kind of training, either to change jobs or to get one; it seemed to be okay at least sometimes on some level. Then suddenly it was only ok if you were going to pioneer. The Awake article on Creation last year (?) quoted prominent scientists who were lo and behold college educated, degreed, (PhD's) JW's. My blood began to boil. Here are people doing what I could have done and probably would have if allowed, and not just baptized, but pictured and quoted and admired! As Charlie Brown would say, "Aargh!" Now it seems that going to college at all is again "banned." What in the world is going on here????? I do not understand at all. I am trying to stay in; I'm sure some of you can understand that, but every molecule of reasoning and "common?" sense is telling me to run like the dickens. No idea which way to run, however. I certainly love Jehovah God, am so grateful to Jesus Christ for the ransom, and know that I have learned at least some Bible truth and accuracy (although not about 607 bce) from my long years of association. I believe in the Kingdom, loved the James book, have now read Ray Franz's book, and I am appalled at what I have learned about the WTBS, which is well documented and public record. What to do, what to do. And now Memorial is coming up, and my daughter will truly disown me if I let her know how I feel, especially if I don't go. Please, please, please, help me out here if you can, and shed some light on what is happening that will help me make sense of all this. Thansk.
Even active witnesses think this is way over the top.....
by yourmomma 80 Replies latest jw friends
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loosie
well he didn't have to worry about an education because he has all his needs taken care of he lives at bethel.
this guy is such a dumbass I don't even know where to start.
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megaflower
the whole wt society esp the governing body members need to go FU## off.
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Odrade
Kasee, I've been out for more than 5 years, and still can't make sense of the lies, misdirections, coercion and control. It has helped to read about other organizations who use the same methods. ("Under the Banner of Heaven" about the fundamentalist LDS, and "Seductive Poison" about Jonestown.) Reading about them makes me realize that the JWs are NOT unique in any way, they are just another high-control group that believes in its own exclusivity and godly privilege.
I am also "uneducated." At 32 I went to a trade school. Although academically disadvantaged, I have access to nearly unlimited information that helps me to see the JWs with a more realistic view, both here, at the library, online... there are many resources. Knowledge is power.
This video was particularly tragic to me because my dad believes now that he did the wrong thing by preventing me from getting additional education. He believes that he took a "too strict" interpretation of the Society's comments regarding college, and that the mistake was his only, not the WTS. The really sad thing is that he knows Loesch personally, yet would probably still not be convinced that the WTS is really the one that made the decision and he was just "obeying orders."
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memario
Italian was my first language. I learned how to speak and read it before I learned english. I've listened to the link and yes the sub-titles match up to what he's saying with the exception on the word college as he was saying university, but the jist of it was there. Italian was not his first language, I wonder if he went to college to learn it
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keyser soze
Why should they have a sense of urgency about the 'impending destruction'? Nothing that these people have predicted about it has come true. Does he think that people who skipped college 50 years ago, or even 10, think they made the right decision? This is manipulation at its most shameless.
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dawg
I'd like to run up on thatr stage and kick that man in the balls...,I was discouraged from going to college by the elders and my family-after going to a reasoning class I realized why, they really go over what fallacies are in that class....I was offered a scolarship when I was 36 for drama theatre, I went, and recieved my degree in PS. I was 41 when I graduated. First job I got when I graduated paid me three times what I used to make....three times!.
To the newbie, its never too late, go and get your degreee, keep loving Jehovah and Jesus if you want, but loving god doesn't mean you must serve men... the slave class are liars brother, you've done the resaerch... you know its true, you're just having trouble like we all had adjusting to the fact that a group of men have lied to you.
If you're still a jW then please tell me how its a disfellowshipping offense to question man made dogmas... please give me that scripture.
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cultswatter
Iam reduced to tears upon seeing that video!!!..............I'am deeply disturbed by it................not many things distrub me ...but..... that was too much......FU**ING GOVERNING BODY!!!!
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exwitless
Kasee said:
Please, please, please, help me out here if you can, and shed some light on what is happening that will help me make sense of all this.
Kasee, you've already read Crisis of Conscience. I think nothing else makes better "sense" out of things than that book. Unfortunately, there is no more sense to be made of things. You are on the brink of allowing yourself to think for yourself and realize things aren't what they seemed to be. You may be fighting internally against what you have seen and read. Keep researching, keep reading, re-examine everything you claim to believe with your own mind and sense of reasoning. Follow your gut instinct and get the hell out now. Every day you stay in the "organization", you are allowing them to control every aspect of your life. Are you happy with the life they've decided on for you? Doesn't sound like it. You sound like a smart and reasonable person. You absolutely can and will survive, even flourish, outside of the mind control of JWs. PM me if you want to...
As for the video, I think my blood pressure just doubled after watching that. I HATE that kind of passive-aggressive mind control. "We won't tell you what to do, but we discourage you from attending college. And we would like to praise everyone here who dropped out of college when the learned the truth. Those who go to college will have to answer to Jehovah for it."
So in other words, you can go to college if you want to. It's your decision. Just remember you'd be going directly against the counsel of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" to do so, and you'll be making it clear that you are putting worldly interests before the "Kingdom", and Jehovah would be displeased. No pressure, though, we aren't telling you what to do.
There is no better example than this to prove that the WTS wants to keep the "flock" ignorant and dependent on them. A sign of a true CULT!!!
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cultswatter
Oh Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites!!
Those Bastards!!!... Yet Garret Losch has been to hospital and has been saved by life saving operations performed by those highly skilled surgeons and anesthtits who had to take calculus at college and university Would you want a doctor to hook an IV drip to your arm if he did not know chemistry and math???