JW woman in trouble

by lisa_82069 43 Replies latest social relationships

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  SPAZnik

  Yes, MANY other JWs are like this.

  Most likely BOTH the man and the woman are sincere and confused and brainwashed.

  The contradictions are glaring from the outside.

  She may not be aware of the dissonance.

  I remember when I was a JW, a friend of mine pointed out the change in my voice,

  when it happened. That helped my awareness and was very freeing.

  I hope you won't let your "friend" drag you down too far into her mud puddle of a life.

  I hope you can stay focussed on your own happy life. Lead by example as it were.
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  Pistoff

  And now Lisa, you see how people are brainwashed and controlled.
  It is heartbreaking but true.
  
  Metsman:
  
  The elders of congregations are not there to control people, but to shephard and keep the congregation clean from scriptural wrongdoing. If the husband is truly being abusive, in time it will come out and be dealt with. And if her husband cheated on her, the elders would never blame her for it. That is ridiculous. If there is proof, he would be disciplined.
  
  Really, you are living in an unreality. The CO in my old circuit told the women from stage that if their husband slapped them up, it didn't mean they could run to the elders. His name was Jack Thomas, by the way.
  
  The elders of congregations DO control people, whether or not you think that they set out to.
  
  Can you openly question their decisions? Or are you taught that to obey the elders is the same as obeying Jehovah?
  
  As for the Israelites, my goodness. Are you still thinking of the ancient world as the WT spins it? The Bible makes great sense as the story of a people trying to understand the good and bad events in their world, and in retrospect try to see God's hand in the good and bad. It makes no sense that God micromanaged their lives anymore than he might today.
  
  It makes no sense at all to think that God will eventually bring wrongdoing to light in the modern day congregations. If that is the case, why have judicial committees at all? If God sees all, then why can't the elders just be notified by holy spirit who is doing what? Or is that not the way the holy spirit works? How does the holy spirit work in the congregations? Do non-anointed brothers receive help from the holy spirit?
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  Pubsinger

  In 607 BCE the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem because of their wickedness and hardened hearts towards his requirements.

  Add that to your research list as well!
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  Metsman

  You people are very negative. Have a nice day.
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  worf

  Metsman,

  I was born into the watchtower society. My Father served as an elder for many years and so did I .

  Your comments about how elders treat people are delusional.

  Worf
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  Metsman

  Mister Worf, I've never been treated badly, so you are delusional.
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  jgnat

  The dual personality (natural personality and the religious personality) is very pronounced in her, but is typical of anyone involved in a high-control cultlike group. This dual peronality is well-described in Steve Hassan's Books like Combatting Cult Mind Control. www.freedomofmind.com

  Since you are so good at spotting the difference, keep this rule of thumb in mind. To the religious personality, don't directly challenge her belief system. Keep her as calm as possible. Nod or hum in neutral agreement. To the natural personality, do what you have been doing and list all her good qualities and those things that make her unique. Give the natural personality freedom to speak.

  My question would be how can this be?

  You mean the hypocrisy? It's survival, and it is typical. The restrictions in the society is just too much. So many Witnesses break out and then feel guilty about it afterwards.

  As a former abused wife, I fiercly believe it is never too late. Some of the same advice for handling a cultist is the same for dealing with an abused wife. She is testing the waters to see if she could actually succeed on her own. Having an affair, purchasing an apartment, and her friendship with you are indications of this.

  http://www.helpguide.org/mental/domestic_violence_abuse_types_signs_causes_effects.htm
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  worf

  Metsman,

  You feel you are being treated badly here?

  After YOUR stupid comments about YOUR OOOH SO PRECIOUS ELDERS ?

  TOUGH!

  GET A REALITY CHECK! WHILE YOU CONTINUE TO SUCK UP TO YOUR BORG MASTERS!

  FROM MR. WORF.
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  Pistoff

  Metsman said:
  
  Mister Worf, I've never been treated badly, so you are delusional.
  
  
  Does this mean that it does not happen? Are men and women treated the same by elders.
  
  P
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  Quandry

  Mister Worf, I've never been treated badly, so you are delusional. That is the crux of the matter. It has never happened to you; therefore, it does not happen. I felt the same way for over thirty years. Whenever a bit of "gossip" about how someone was treated badly by elders came up, I almost put my hands on my ears. I immediately said in my most righteous voice, "You and I were not in the back room and so do not know what happened. I am SURE that the elders did everything in their power to help the person." Because it had not happened to my family, I assumed others were exaggerating or just causing trouble. I now am better informed. I was truly appalled when reading some posts on here of the disgustingly overly personal questions asked of people in a judicial setting-such as "Did you have a climax? or What did it feel like? or What position did you use? or "Show us where he touched you." The especially difficult ones to read about are those that imply that a little girl would somehow have enticed a man, perhaps even her father, to molest her. Please read some of the posts here and educate yourself. And I hope it doesn't ever happen to you. You will never be the same.