What Satanic Rituals???

by Nathan Natas 44 Replies latest jw friends

radar

Unclebruce
The Memorial, always struck me as odd.
Also Jehovah as the executer of mankind, and his apparent wish for the blood from mass sacrifices of animals.
Radar
All that we see or seem/ Is but a dream within a dream.
-Edgar Allen Poe
metatron

In case I didn't make it clear, I believe such claims
of Satanism practiced by white-bread suburban types to
be nonsense. When you deal with Witnesses, you are dealing
with an organization of obsessed, compulsive, and often,
fantasy prone individuals. I'm not surprized that they
generate outlandish stories about Smurfs, Satan,etc.
metatron
Cygnus

There was a fellow posting on H2O as "Ken" who was DF'd for reporting a CO who he allegedly observed practicing satanic rituals. He is occasionally in the Yahoo JW chat room as "johnthesouthernbaptist" or something similar.
Judith

Hi Nathan.
The woman I spoke with said that her husband (A JW) took the children but the other witnesses did not have knowledge of this. This woman took her children to counceling and they talked of more things that their father had done to them which sent her to a mental hospital for months. She got a divorce after the hospital stay and he was denied visitation with the children. She told me that she left the Kingdom Hall but didn't tell me if she had said anything to the elders.
I am not comfortable with mentioning what some of the rituals were and I have no idea if they were true. She was just a woman I met during a counceling group.
JJ
Nathan Natas

Thanks for the responses!
Metatron, I didn't realize that you felt (as I do) that thee claims of Satanism are nonsense.
Judith, thanks for the expansion. I can appreciate that you may not want to delve fully into all the aspects of the story. As you might guess, I feel it is likely the events the woman related were either abuse by the father of his children (very evil, but not supernatural) or the wild imaginings of the mother.
My dub mother offered various and contradictory stories about my non Dub absent father to me while I was growing up. With time I realized that they couldn't ALL be true. I hope for the sake of those kids that the mother was misinterpreting reality.
Satanus

NN
A fair question. I, and some others on this board, have been accused of being his agents, and i don't even believe in the guy. While no doubt satanists exist, accusations far out number them. Aliester crowley was accused of it. Of his stuff that i read, i didn't find any mention of the devil or rituals to him, although he did attempt to bring into existence an anti-christ. I suppose the poor kid (the anti-christ) got over it. Witches, shamans, the illuminatti (whoever the hell they are) are accused of having his aquaintence. In one of the supposedly best shamanic books there was absolutely no trace of satan. I think the devil has been blamed for a lot more than he has done. In the big reconning, if the devil is there, chritians will no doubt be required to pay him huge reparations.
SS
Nathan Natas

SaintSatan -
You are, of course, absolutely correct. It cannot be denied that SatanISTS exist, but their existence is no more proof that there is a Satan than the existence of Theologians is proof that there exists a god.
My good friend Aleister Crowley was raised in a severely fundementalist Christian home. What a big surprise that he decided to become the world's greatest anti christ!
evilchicken

Wait! Doesnt that Fred guy look like Satan. I heard after the meeting he goes to the Library and drinks the blood of one unlucky chicken. His familiar is one of those walking, talking smurfs. With a spell he sends it out to find new victims to satisfy his chicken blood lust!
Yes it is true other duds have seen this evil deed, but he could blackmail them into silence cause he caught some of them fornicating in the bathroom at the Hall.
silentlambs

I wish to respond to this thread as I have talked to many who claim to be part of satanic ritual abuse within the wt organization. When I heard the first claim I of course discounted it as being false or from someone who was mentally disturbed. But then I got another story and then another. It has began to be a very distrubing picture. All these people live with absolute terror of the WT organization. I have had reports from twelve different major metropolitian areas across the USA. Of particuliar interest is the similiar things described from people who do not know each other. Things like animal sacrifice, child sacrifice, CO's and DO's in charge along with prominent elders, video taping of child molestation, specific rituals that lead up to the abuse, groups of children being involved, the gatherings were often called called family studies for a cover, threats of death if ever told to the outside. These are just of few of commonalities between the stories I have heard. These people have acute memories of times dates and places including names which I have verified were in specifc congregations. It is very disturbing to say the least. I perhaps could include the story below. It does not describe satanic rituals but this person was a brother when he was caught and was reinstated before he went to trial. When two brothers called the society about it they were told to keep out of it. It is courious to understand why the wt would want a known child pornogopher to be reinstated so soon. I will have more information about this soon. His name was Leroy Kemmish. It is my understand he remains a JW in good standing.
silentlambs
NATIONAL
CHILD PORN BUYERS BUSTED POSTAL INSPECTORS' 2-YEAR OPERATION NETS 45 NATIONWIDE, MORE TO BE ARRESTED
RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
05/10/1996
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
SOONER
A-1
(Copyright 1996)
When postal inspectors came across what appeared to be a major child pornography operation, they decided it was too good a chance to pass up. Instead of just shutting it down, they changed the name and went into business.
The results of their two-year undercover operation were announced yesterday: 45 arrests in a nationwide sting, as many as 70 more to come.
"Simply shutting down Overseas Male (pornography distributor) wasn't enough because those who created the demand for child pornography were still out there," Chief Postal Inspector Kenneth J. Hunter said.
He said investigators concentrated on people who sought videos involving boys aged 7 to 11 - offering the material for sale and bringing charges if the individuals accepted delivery of the videos.
"We are not talking about adult videos someone can rent at some corner video store," Hunter said.
The videos offered by Overseas Male were "in actuality videotaped evidence of a crime taking place. They show images of children having sex with each other or with adults - children as young as 7, 8 or 9 years old being sexually abused in unthinkable ways."
Postal inspectors in Pittsburgh conducted three local investigations as part of the national operation. The local investigations resulted in the indictment in January of Milton J. Jones, 63, of South Side, on two counts of receipt and possession of pornographic materials.
Jones pleaded guilty to the possession of pornography charge and admitted he had three videotapes that depicted sexual activity by minors. He is to be sentenced June 21.
In more than 20 cases, Hunter said, investigators uncovered evidence of child abuse in addition to the charges of possessing pornography.
In one case, Ray Leslie Opfer of Reno, Nev., has been sentenced to life in prison for molesting two brothers aged 9 and 12 after inspectors discovered a collection of sexually explicit videos of neighborhood children in his home, Postal Inspector Ray Smith reported.
In another case, authorities said Robert H. Ellison, 65, of Chicago, pleaded for the prompt return of his videos because he feared that he would molest children if he could not relieve his urges through pornography. He was ordered held without bond as a threat to the community.
"Pedophiles aren't always strangers in your community," Hunter said. "They are men of every social stratum and occupation: teachers, professors, computer programmers, even sometimes members of the clergy."
He said his office began receiving complaints in 1993 from people who had been sent advertising for sexually explicit videos by Overseas Male, a San Diego company.
One of the operators of that business, James Leroy Kemmish, was arrested in 1994 by customs agents as he returned from Mexico. Agents found $16,000 in cash and child pornography when they searched his baggage. He has been convicted of distributing child pornography and sentenced to five years in prison.
Hunter said the agency decided to use its mailing lists to try and track down buyers of the porn. It sent out some 2,000 solicitations under the name Island Male, inviting people to send back a card if they were interested. They also had the option to ask to be removed from the mailing list or of simply throwing the solicitation away, Hunter noted.
Those who asked for more information were sent letters discussing "steamy" videos involving boys and men of various age groups. Those who showed an interest in ages 7 to 11 were targeted.
Smith explained that when these people placed an order, it was delivered by a postal inspector. If they accepted delivery, a search warrant was obtained and their home or business searched for evidence of possession of child pornography.
Those regarded as threats to the community or likely to flee were arrested immediately, while cases were still being developed against many others, he explained.
"We hope it makes a difference," Hunter said. "But we're not naive enough to think it will cause making child pornography or trafficking in it to end."
In all, the postal service conducted 130 searches in 36 states during its undercover operation, called Operation Special Delivery. In addition to Pennsylvania, Nevada and Illinois, investigators conducted searches in Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.
He said the videos sold for from $50 to $290, depending on the age of the children involved. A review of the company's financial records showed it grossed $10,000 a week during one six-month period.
Copyright © 2000 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Satanus

silent
That's very serious. Kind of shocking. Its the first i ever heard of the wt being in touch w this type of stuff.
I am curious though, if satan is actually spoken of by name or w a picture or image in these rituals?
Thanks

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