Perry
Terry cries for justice because he believes he is better than Adam. He really thinks he is righteous. It's kind of like he thinks he can hold his breath longer than God.
A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
by Terry 384 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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myelaine
For God so loved the world...
...because I need eternal life to be with God...
love michelle
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Perry
Where do you let yourself think that some animal dying is a good way of losing your own guilt?
Excellent question R. Caruso. The Wt never told us what the sacrifices were for .... but God did:
Lev. 1:
he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD. 4And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
When first the priest and then the Jew laid his hand upon the head of the sacrificial animal, the sin of the offerer was transferred onto the innocent (and costly) animal. It was the sin that was slain, not the animal. The lesson was that you cannot get rid of your sin by yourself. It must first be transferred onto an innocent sacrifice and then slain. Let the blood flow.... rivers of it, over and over again. Don't like it? Then stop sinning. You can't you say?
This was never taught to us in the kingdom hall because it would only be a short jump to willingly placing our sin onto Jesus..... Satan would never allow this teaching in his Halls.
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Deputy Dog
Terry
Dead is dead. "Dead man walking" is a metaphor.
I guess spiritual death is a metaphor? You know when you run out of air.
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Terry
What is the basis for UNcondemning him?
His own Glory and good pleasure.
You know what summary execution is? A soldier in the field can shoot somebody on sight on whim.
You know what Justice is? Justice is a process of determining facts by presenting both sides and ruling according to who deserves what.
Condemning people to death is Justice if it is based on informed consent by sane parties who comprehend limits and penalties of behavior within a jurisdiction.
Condemning people to death without due process is WHIM or summary execution.
There is nothing Glorius about summary execution. It is naked raw power at the service of whim.
To kill for one's good pleasure is monstrous. The corollary: to fail to kill for one's good pleasure is equally monstrous in another way.
Waterboarding takes a powerless detainee and subjects him to experience the threshold of death. The fact that he is brought back makes it torture rather than execution. I've no doubt that some people who practice water boarding experience good pleasure doing so. But, to think the Supreme Being abides by this sort of behavior and calls it "glory" or "good pleasure" is deeply troubling.
Perhaps you may wish to re-examine your valuation of God based on this Power and Good pleasure in the absence of Justice.
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R.Crusoe
My intuition tells me the 'Bible' is off limits and some sre getting itchy feet about the territory this discussion will inevitably lead into!
After all, if you already decided the god of the cosmos delivered all those books over all those centuries so they could be found in different places and bound together, what possible way can you reason around how they have decided to think already?
Stalemate because refusal to move renders the game pointless!
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BurnTheShips
You know what Justice is? Justice is a process of determining facts by presenting both sides and ruling according to who deserves what.
Condemning people to death is Justice if it is based on informed consent by sane parties who comprehend limits and penalties of behavior within a jurisdiction
Trying to get through to Terry is like trying to find an Atheist in heaven.
Terry, you are judging according to your own judgement, your own justice. Your own jurisprudence is not even universal among humans, and has not existed throughout history, so how the hell do you think it should be binding on God?
Your justice applies to humans in dealing with other humans. Godis obviously not one of us like you and I are one of us. When he took our form, he went through the worst injustice in the human justice system.
Things you believe humans should not do to each other you would deem acceptable between parents and children. Do you have the right to decide what your neighbor eats for breakfast, or what school he should attend, or when sleepy time is? That would be an injustice to you. But not with your own children.
Justice has context. You simplistically put us all on the same level.
Burn
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Perry
Terry cries for justice because he believes he is better than Adam. He really thinks he is righteous. It's kind of like he thinks he can hold his breath longer than God.
Perry
You've convinced me you are grandstanding. You demonstrate no interest (or capacity) for engaing in discussion. Massaging your ego for the bystanders is a poor second place.
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Deputy Dog
You know what Justice is? Justice is a process of determining facts by presenting both sides and ruling according to who deserves what.
Terry knows more about the facts than God does. WOW!
Keep holding your breath Terry!
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Perry
My intuition tells me ..... some sre getting itchy feet about the territory this discussion will inevitably lead into!
It always leads to the foot of the cross. Forgiveness, fellowship directly with God, eternal life, fredom from guilt, rivers of life that eminate from the inside from the in-dwelling Holy Spirit of God.
God is Good!