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Rabbit

God has come to the Dallas-Ft.Worth area several times in the last week.

What a marvelous Blessing !

8 -10 tornadoes...

Up to 80 mph straight-line winds...

Baseball-sized hail - twice in a week...

Flash flooding...

Several deaths and numerous injuries...

250,000 residences & businesses without power for days...

Millions of $$$$$$$$$$$ in damage...

Need I remind you of Hurricane Katrina ?

God works in mysterious ways:

And the TV interviews: "God saved me and my family ! He took my bass boat, dog, cars & house, but we trusted in Him and He came thru!" Or, "I don't know why God killed my family, left me alive and blew down our church, but I trust he had His own good reasons."

All -- "Acts of God", even the insurance contracts we've signed, say so.

And then, this (now infamous) quote from Burntheships:

God has a human face. When He heals the sick it is with human hands. When he speaks Truth it is with a human voice. When he suffers for good it is human blood that is shed.
Burn

*Blech* The god of the Bible is a hypocrite according to "His" own 'Holy' book. I can see that now, so I've tried to purge my mind of such faith in the unproven. I'm agnostic and like Dawg, I take pride in my honesty...I DON'T KNOW, if there is a 'higher power' or a 'god.'

I keep an open mind, if the proof ever comes, I'll try my best (with my little hare brain) to understand it, then act on it.

If there is a 'god', I think I already have a better, healthier viewpoint than the fearful faith of most religious people. I believe that our weather patterns, good or bad, are controlled completely by natural forces and my geographical location. Not a god doing good or evil. If I don't like it...I'll move to Alaska, so I can freeze my ass off ! Or California...so I can burn up in the brush fires or die in an earthquake. Right now, I'm enjoying our Texas Bluebonnets.

What a concept ! Natural causes !

However, I don't think people who still believe in ghosts are -- idiots. I've never been an idiot, even as a cult member. I have done some stupid idiotic things (like most of us here) while a culty, but, my intellect and experiences slowly woke me. It feels so good...to not be sure about everything. When I see believers or atheists say, "I KNOW!", without being able to provide proof...it seems they both have same mind-set.

I dunno... Rabbit

BurnTheShips

IMO soon if you believe in god you won't be able to hold certain jobs, because a belief in a higher power that does not exist could interfere with your job performance. ( See JW's and Nursing )( See also evolution science use in medicine )

It isn't belief in a higher power that could affect a JW, but a religious practice. If blood wasn't an issue, a JW could be as good a nurse as anyone else. Also, your evolution example. I know of no circumstance where "evolution science" as you phrase it has anything to do with operational medicine.

Burn

VoidEater

I think "religion" works best when it is something that our hearts act on as if true, but our minds know is not. Perhaps that is why I may be schizophrenic.

Within the boundaries of our own flesh, believe what supports us. But in accordance with Cicero, never attempt to compel others to believe and live as we do.

Greg Bear is regarded as one of our current best-of-class SF writers (he probably occupies the kind of pedastel that Golden Agers Asimov, Clark and Heinlein are on). I loved this evocation of God of his in Darwin's Children: "love without desire".

What an interesting way of languaging the experience of God. No need to prove it. No need to compel others.

I love Dawg's comment on bicameral thinking: the insistence on no-God may be as unhelpful as the insistence on God.

I think the conversation about the place of religion within Society may be more fruitful than conversations about the unproveable. It seems to me that Philosophy rises from conversations about God, about Man in relationship to God, and Man without God. How would one ever erase God from such a conversation? Much of the interesting parts deal with Man's search for God or God's absence.

Historically, Man's conceptions of God show a process that is intriguing and integral to our development. To me, they show a progression that leads to a realization that God is not active in our development - rather, I see an evolution of God and the roles he is placed into by a wondering Man.

I see much of myself in Burn, but I doubt there is anything I personally can offer in the way of "Help" (what help is needed for any of us other than the opportunity to see more, learn more, understand more?). In the grander Dance, I think we have offered a small two-step to each other, a view of the world to each other that is at once interesting and anathema to our backgrounds.

That's something that helps me.

(EDIT: typo fix)

5go

It isn't belief in a higher power that could affect a JW, but a religious practice. If blood wasn't an issue, a JW could be as good a nurse as anyone else. Also, your evolution example. I know of no circumstance where "evolution science" as you phrase it has anything to do with operational medicine.

A unmarried 19 year old pioneer goes to the doctor for a pregnacy test, an elderette is the RN in the Doctor's office. What do you think happens despite HIPA laws that prevent it. BTW the doctor pays the lawsuit.

Narkissos

I think "religion" works best when it is something that our hearts act on as if true, but our minds know is not.

dawg

This is my point..."When I see believers or atheists say, "I KNOW!", without being able to provide proof"..I of course agree with Rabbitt

And Burns, I know you probably don't believe it, but I really like you and think you're smart.. but I'm trying to prove a point here, thus I can't let you off the hook with your own words. I already know you believe in Christ, so saying that wasn't what you meant is bull; I've noticed you pull that often so you can escape. But you really don't need to... this thread is the role of science, and in each thread like this you come off with some mamby pamby crap about God... you even had your own thread mad at atheists.

I have hopes that you will see that the whole "there is a God" debate is foolish, it CAN"T be proven. You don't have facts to support your case. So, every time you say something like that in a debate it sounds like you lost your ability for logic and reason which I know from reading your posts you have. Don't lose logic, cherish it. You've been given it now embrace it.

fifi40

I love HS and want to be one of his mistresses

Chuckles madly to herself ( at HS comments)

fifi40

PS It is worth coming on here just to read his comments

IP_SEC

BurnTheWho?

dawg

Finally free-Guess you didn't want to converse about your "live and let live" philosophy... Sad to tell you but calling someone a piece of sh** without indulging facts is the way of a fool.

I think I've done a great job in describing why a human that believes he has proof of a God is a idiot, I've presented evidence and stuck to the subject. I haven't seen anyone defend the Bible's literalism.

Face it believers, your philosophy is on the way out... people are coming around to this way of thinking and the internet will close the deal. I have hopes that one day we will all explore the possibilities together, but as long as man's foolish religions are in play, we will be hampered in our endeavors.

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