Freedom to Remarry Question...

by clsurfer 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    WELCOME CLSURFER

    Am I free to remarry???

    You are free to do whatever the hell you want. Seriously.

    Of course, since you say you are an active dub, you have linked your freedom to the whims of imperpect men. The ironic thing is, if YOU committed pornea (fornication), then your EX husband is "scripturally" free to remarry, since YOU broke the marriage vow. There seems to be a JC in your future.. with or without you.

    don't know if they know about my divorce

    If the elders in your old congo know, and they know where you are now attending, then the elders in your new congo will know. It should have been included in the letter of introduction that accompanied your Publisher Record Card. Nosy bastards. That kind of stuff sticks like crap on the bottom of your shoe.

    The fact that you are here on an apostate site tells me that you have questions, doubts, issues, etc. about the JWs.Good for you! If the elders knew you were here, they would come down on you like a ton of bricks, maybe more so than the sexual so-called "sin." The combination of the two (apostate site/sexual immorality) could get you DF more than one or the other alone.

    You are your own person. There are consequences to your actions, both in and out of the Organization. You are only human. You have "needs" I am sure. Five years divorce and you just now had a "moment of weakness"? I wonder if your ex-husband has such a sterling record of remaining chaste? Sadly, the Organization does not "allow" for a "moment of weakness." Expect tons of questions about "is this the only time in the last 5 years?"

    I wish you well in this journey. I hope you find the emotional and mental strength to free yourself from the bonds that tie your happiness to a man-made Organization.

    SnakesInTheTower ()

  • clsurfer
    clsurfer

    Thanks to all for the advice.

    I want to handle this situation as well as can be within WT standards and do not plan on leaving JWs.

    I'm nervous about meeting with the JCs, but I know I will be fine once all is said and done. I will tell them only what ask, nothing more. I have been told about the weird questioning they ask, such as the popular "panty or thong" question. Can't believe they ask that, but if they want all the details, I'll give it to them. I hope they're prepared to blush.... :) At this point I really have nothing to hide. I don't want to be DFd and hope for a private reproval. No one else knows about this, only the two elders I confessed to. Like I said, I'm waiting for my JC meeting next week. I got a gleaming letter of recommendation from my previous hall, so hope that makes a difference in JC decision.

    cl

  • yknot
    yknot

    If you believe you have the scriptural grounds for remarriage then tell the new KH that you are divorced with scriptural grounds for remarriage. If they ask anymore just explain your finding of hotel recipts etc led you to file, tell them adultry is unacceptable to you. Unless you have really nosy Elders I doubt any further discussion will happen other then your initial claim of freedom to marry. As far as your own 'moment of weakness".....have you gone to Jehovah in prayer and asked forgiveness? If you have .....you were forgiven the moment the request for forgiveness left your lips.

    If there is anything else we at JWD can help just ask.

    You will find the one of the largest KH library is contained between our members.

    I wish you well on your journey........

    Hope to see you stopping by here in the future and adding to the postings.

    Agape

    Yknot

  • yknot
    yknot

    PMing you about JC...

    I can appreciate your wanting to abide by your chosen religion.

    Yknot

  • caliber
    caliber

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/83643/1.ashx

    Here is an old Blondie post, that discuss some options. HAHAHA ! I don't mean Blondie is old! It's

    not her post but scroll down !

    Caliber

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    I know I should try and be respectful of religious beliefs, but I can't help thinking I quit asking for permission to use the restroom sometime in grade school.

    Romans 14:12

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    clsurfer,

    I've read through the thread and see that you want to remain a JW. I agree with Snakes' assessment. If this was the only time in 5 years you've committed "porneia", you otherwise have been a faithful JW and you really open up the waterworks, there is a good chance that you will be privately reproved. If the elders in your old hall know about your divorce, then so do the guys in your new hall. Guaranteed! So, my advise would be to acknowledge your previous marriage.

    They will likely consider whether you "conspired" to get out of your marriage by having sex. I have seen cases where that was the case and the person ended up DF'ed. But, the fact that 5 years has gone by makes that argument somewhat moot.

    After they handle your JC, you will be "scripturally free to remarry" per the WT rule book since all it takes is one party to have sex outside the marriage. Seeing as you've been divorced for 5 years, I don't think they're going to ask you to confess to your ex but they might. His agreeing to the divorce would probably signify an unwillingness to forgive. The below article discusses situations where that would not apply.

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    whatextentneedafaithfulChristianwiferesistadivorceactionbroughtbyhermate?

    When human marriage began, God said that a husband and wife should "stick" together. (Genesis 2:18-24) Humans became imperfect, with resulting problems in many marriages, but God’s desire is that mates should still stick together. The apostle Paul wrote: "To the married people I give instructions, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not depart from her husband; but if she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up again with her husband; and a husband should not leave his wife."—1 Corinthians 7:10, 11.

    Those words acknowledge that among imperfect humans a mate sometimes decides to leave. For example, Paul said that if a mate departed, both parties were to "remain unmarried." Why? Well, the mate departed, but the two continued bound to each other in God’s eyes. Paul could say this because Jesus had set out the standard for Christian marriage: "Whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication [Greek, por·nei´a], and marries another commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9) Yes, the only basis for divorce that Scripturally ends a marriage is "fornication," that is, sexual immorality. Evidently, in the case Paul referred to, neither mate had been immoral, so when the husband or wife departed, the marriage did not end in God’s sight.

    Paul then spoke of the situation in which a true Christian has a mate who is an unbeliever. Consider Paul’s directions: "If the unbelieving one proceeds to depart, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not in servitude under such circumstances, but God has called you to peace." (1 Corinthians 7:12-16) What could a faithful wife do if her unbelieving husband left her, even seeking a legal divorce from her?

    She may prefer that he remain with her. She may still love him, sense their mutual emotional and sexual needs, and know that she and any minor children need material support. She might also hope that, in time, her husband would become a believer and be saved. Yet, if he took steps to end the marriage (on some unscriptural ground), the wife could "let him depart," as Paul wrote. The same would apply if a believing husband disregarded God’s view of marriage and insisted on departing.

    In such a situation, though, she might need to protect herself and the children. How so? She would want to retain custody of her beloved children so that she could continue to show them motherly love, give them moral training, and instill in them faith based on fine Bible teachings. (2 Timothy 3:15) The divorce could endanger her rights. Hence, she might take steps to be represented properly before the authorities in order to protect her right to have access to her children and to be sure that her husband was obliged to support the family that he was abandoning. In some places, a woman contesting a divorce can sign legal documents that set out provisions for child custody and financial support, without agreeing to the divorce her husband is seeking. Elsewhere, the wording of the documents indicates that she agrees with the divorce; thus, if her husband was guilty of adultery, the wife’s signing these would mean that she rejects him.

    Most in the community and in the congregation would not know the details, such as whether the divorce was obtained on Scriptural grounds. So before things advanced that far, it would be advisable for the wife to inform the presiding overseer and another elder in the congregation (preferably in writing) of the facts. In that way those facts would be available in case any question arose—then or later.

    Let us return to Jesus’ comment: "Whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery." If a husband was actually guilty of sexual immorality but wanted to remain married to his wife, she (the innocent one in Jesus’ example) must choose whether to forgive him and continue sharing the marital bed or to reject him. If she is willing to forgive and continue with her legal husband, she is not morally stained in doing so.—Hosea 1:1-3; 3:1-3.

    In a case where an immoral husband seeks a divorce, the wife still may be willing to forgive, hoping to have him back. It is up to her to determine, based on her conscience and situation, whether to contest his divorce action. In some places a woman contesting a divorce might be able to sign documents that stipulate custody of the children and financial support without indicating that she agrees with the divorce; her signing such papers would not in itself indicate that she was rejecting him. However, elsewhere a wife contesting a divorce might be asked to sign documents that indicate that she agrees with the divorce; signing such would expressly show that she rejects her guilty husband.

    To avoid the possibility of misunderstanding, it would be advisable in this case as well for the wife to give representatives of the congregation a letter outlining what steps are being taken and the attitudes underlying them. She could state that she told her husband that she was willing to forgive him and to be his wife. That would mean that the divorce was being obtained against her wishes; rather than rejecting her husband, she was still ready to forgive. After thus making it clear that she was willing to forgive and remain married, her signing papers that merely indicate how financial and/or custody matters are to be settled would not indicate that she was rejecting her husband.

    Having established her willingness to forgive even after a divorce, neither she nor her husband would be free to marry another. If she, the innocent mate whose offer of forgiveness was refused, later decides to reject him because of his immorality, both would then be free. Jesus showed that the innocent mate has a right to make such a decision.—Matthew 5:32; 19:9; Luke 16:18.

    [Footnote]

    Legal procedures and papers vary from place to place. The terms of the divorce set out in legal documents should be examined closely before signing. If an innocent mate signs papers that indicate that she (or he) does not object to a divorce that the mate is getting, that amounts to rejecting the mate.—Matthew 5:37.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    My last thought on the whole thing.

    We are all not evil people. We wish everyone the best. Even those that choose to stay in the
    WT organization.

    Give a full confession and don't volunteer anything that isn't asked. Don't play games, as I suggested
    earlier. Tell them everything they want to know. Spill your guts and follow their rules.

    If you must tell them you won't see the guy or any other guy again until you are scripturally free, and
    must try to reconcile with your ex, or whatever they tell you- do as they say or honestly tell them you
    won't do it. See what happens.

    If you are DF'ed over this, or if you feel violated by the questions and the treatment you receive, you
    are free to reevaluate your situation at that time. We will be here either way. We would love to help
    you heal, either way. Sorry for the advice to mislead them. Don't do it. Do it the theocratic way.
    See ya later.

  • clsurfer
    clsurfer

    Thanks Caliber and Doubting Bro.

    Just found this link to a WT letter about being scripturally free to remarry. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/123657/1.ashx

    Looks like I will more than likely have to contact ex unless current JC doesn't care. Either way, I'd just rather get this whole "free to remarry" thing concluded. I don't want to have to deal with it later when I meet someone in JWs I would want to have a future with....

    cl

  • minimus
    minimus

    The marriage bond was officially broken by -----you. It's done. Period.

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