Diary of a thinking to return ex-Jw (page 15)

reniaa

I will state once more for the record I have been completely honest about who I am and what stage I am at but does it even matter?

If you guys think a Jw actually coming on JWD discussion board is someone to avoid then there is more wrong with you than there is with me.

Lol part of me wishes I could say I was a JW just to see what you would do? (but I don't lie) maybe horsewhip me off this forum? one supposedly for Jw's but I get roundly harassed if i state for the record i'm simpathetic and will be speaking from that viewpoint.

To be honest I would think any intelligent person could see i'm exactly what I say I am, having been away from Jw's to long to do more than discuss the big doctrine issues that I just about remember and faulter on the lesser ones. Maybe i should see it as a compliment to my debating skills that even as a new mum who has very little time to come on this site and reply, that you would think I come across as a fully fledged JW, maybe one day I will be, who knows? but i have my own personal ways to go.

I have looked at links but not replyed on them yet, lol haven't really had chance to read any books suggested yet it's early days, but to be honest with the "crisis of conscience" franz book I flicked through an online version of it and wasn't tempted, it sounds woefully out of date (it was written 30 years ago?) and very much looking at the imperfectionss of men running an organisation.

real one

I don't like that ultimately my position is Jw's are the best of a bad bunch and allow me to have a relationship with Jehovah as well as jesus which no other christian religions offer. Give me a better option and I'll look into it. but bear in mind you have to show me that another faith has it right doctrinely.

you don't want another option. no matter how much info we give you you still lean towards jw. Don't you know that Jesus talks to God for us? I gave you all of those scriptures to prove tha Jesus is God and you still don't believe. God will not make us worship him. We all have our own free will. He won't force you in any way.

Hebrews 1:8

But God says about his Son,

"You are God,

Did you miss this scripture or did you not read any of them? God called Jesus God. If you truly read 3 different Bible interpretations they will say the same thing. Only your Bible will be different.

You are jw and thats fine but don't come here trying to deceive us because remember God hates a liar!

Can you have Holy Spirit but not be born again? Jesus said you must be born again. if you are not born again you do not belong to Christ. Maybe you don't want to belong to Christ. Read the book of Romans.

Are they true christians? what do most christians believe? Jw do not believe what we believe

144,000? Great crowd?

first class tickets coach does God have 2 classes of christians?

show us in the Bible where God chose jw as his only people. When I read the Bible it tells me that:

19 Jesus' mother and brothers went to see him, but because of the crowd they could not get near him. 20 Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside and want to see you."

21 Jesus answered, "My mother and my brothers are those people who hear and obey God's message."

real one

it sounds woefully out of date (it was written 30 years ago?) and very much looking at the imperfectionss of men running an organisation.

don't you mean God's Spirit filled org?

real one

The Narrow Door

(Matthew 7.13,14,21-23)

22 As Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem, he taught the people in the towns and villages. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?"

Jesus answered:

24 Do all you can to go in by the narrow door! A lot of people will try to get in, but will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and locks the door, you will be left standing outside. You will knock on the door and say, "Sir, open the door for us!"

But the owner will answer, "I don't know a thing about you!"

26 Then you will start saying, "We dined with you, and you taught in our streets."

27 But he will say, "I really don't know who you are! Get away from me, you evil people!"

28 Then when you have been thrown outside, you will weep and grit your teeth because you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God's kingdom. 29 People will come from all directions and sit down to feast in God's kingdom. 30 There the ones who are now least important will be the most important, and those who are now most important will be least important.

Christ is the narrow door, do you know who the owner is?

digderidoo

it sounds woefully out of date (it was written 30 years ago?) and very much looking at the imperfectionss of men running an organisation.

It wasn't thirty years ago, there are revised editions.

Looking at the imperfections of men running an organisation, HALLELUJAH. Those men decide what YOU are going to believe.

I'm done with this thread.

Paul

Bring_the_Light

Lol part of me wishes I could say I was a JW just to see what you would do? (but I don't lie) maybe horsewhip me off this forum? one supposedly for Jw's but I get roundly harassed if i state for the record i'm simpathetic and will be speaking from that viewpoint.

I SAY WE DISFELLOWSHIP HER ASS!!!

We hold a Judicial Committee, she will be required to tell us the details of every sexual encounter she's ever had (just because, thats why), if found guilty of being a JW, she will be forbidden to talk to any worldly people until she mends her ways and repents.

Who's with me, we need to appoint some elders and think of some extra humiliating questions.

Bring_the_Light

Shawn10538

Sadly, a large percentage of cult members return to the cult. I don't know the exact figure, but it is a fairly well established fact. (20% maybe?) So, it is to be expected that a few people will see this board and still go back anyway. It doesn't seem like this person is very well read. She is not knowledgeable about JW doctrines at all, and as she stated she only flipped through C of C. So, is she really interested in truth? Obviously not. She is not being honest about why she wants to go back. It certainly isn't because she thinks JWs are the true religion. She is plagued with partial sound bytes from JWs years ago. She is not up to date at all. This seems like a clear case of a person believing what they want to believe because they are not mature enough emotionally to handle the cold hard facts.

Renei. here's what you are looking forward to:

Dying from refusing a blood transfusion
One of your children or grandchildren dying for refusing a blood transfusion
Not being able to speak your mind about what you really believe if it is contrary to what the FDS tells you to believe
No birthdays
No holidays
Field service
3 of the most boring meetings on the planet earth
You won't go to college
you must confess your sins to elders
If you mess up again you will be disfellowshipped again
Expecting the end of the world is just around the corner
new definitions of the word "generation."
New stances on Sodom and Gomorrah
No more oral sex
No more anal sex
Can't play with your own clitoris
New dates for the end of the world
Worshipping a god who kills infants because their parents are bad people
The Watchtower and Awake magazines
Fighting like mad to keep dissenting information out of your head
Being part of an organization who was a member of the Wild Beast of Revelation and who lied about it
Feeling guilty that you are nevr good enough
Being in a cult that you can't escape from without losing your family that is still in
No more Satanic music
Not being able to associate freely with worldlty friends or family
Not being part of worldly family's celebrations
Becoming distant with your unbelieving mate because he just doesn;t understand your cult
Being part of an organization that protects child molesters
Elders who think they have the right to investigate felonies (child abuse) and don't see the need to involve the police
Being part of the group that sold Miracle Wheat
Being part of the group that denied vaccines causing hundreds of people to die from small pox
Knowing that whatever the governing body says, no matter how ridiculous YOU MUST BELIEVE IT
Someone else take over...

Shawn10538

How did finally free get into my account and post it here????!!!!! something's fxxxed up.

wifekeepsmeinit

really great to have you back réniaa, cant wait till we reach 10,000,000 JWs.

just keep your guard up, you dont have to give any info to any elder, if you dont want to, because its none of their business.

as for the previous poster, most of that is just a guidline, you can do anything you want so long as it agrees with what the Bible says, not the WT magazine.

I think a lot of people on this site really enjoy dwelling on negativity. They dont see all of the positive things that come from Jehovahs Witnesses.

The degree to which rules are laid down or applied vary greatly from Kingdom Hall to Kingdom hall, and it sounds like from your post you are in a very loving Kingdom Hall. Unfourtunately Im in a rules and regulations Kingdom Hall, not a loving one.

Bring_the_Light

wifekeepsmeinit: I think a lot of people on this site really enjoy dwelling on negativity. They dont see all of the positive things that come from Jehovahs Witnesses.

Here's another one. We need to talk to you in the back room now!!

Why would you let your small issues with being worldly allow yourself to stumble! or worse let your vacillation stumble others in the community. You are neither hot nor cold your are lukewarm, for whatever reason I hear that's supposed to be the worst of them all.

What are your crimes? If you think JW disfellowshipping is bad, just wait till you get kicked out of the real world. THAT is where the crying and the knashing of your teeth will be!!

Bring_the_Light

Diary of a thinking to return ex-Jw

The Narrow Door

(Matthew 7.13,14,21-23)

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