by dirtyknections 40 Replies latest jw experiences
personally i think its shit we never understand. like ufos. we dont really believe it until we see one ourselves. so until it happens to us well just carry on our merry way. If it ever happens to us well change our tune but not til then
im on my third shot of southern comfort ..so ..burp...
im on my third shot of southern comfort ..so ..burp...
I rest my case!
LTCmd wrote "And again I ask: What makes you think they're demons? They don't act like the biblical description of demons... so how do you know they're not vampires or Q?"
It's simple, all "spirits" that don't direct you to the son/God actually take you away from him. We know full well (from scripture) that ALL heavenly messengers/angels are directed by the Lord for the purpose of his glory or of one's safety. They're not sent just for random "hauntings" or to play "hide and go seek". Satan is the author of confusion and his horde do his bidding. I speak this because I've had dealings of the same. I've watched shadows run up and down my stairs, heard evil audible voices taunt me, and have been gripped with fear/oppression from out of nowhere. I'll not further explain, for greater is HE that is in me than he that is in the world. The fact is that WE are in a spiritual battle for where we will spend our eternity. As time winds down to completion, there will be greater and greater forces of oppression/attempted possession to pollute mankind till the end. Only the ones that are heirs to the throne will overcome this war. Choose this day of whom you will serve for if it's not the ONE then it's surely the other. Truth is not multiple choice.
Agree/disagree with me, or laugh at me as you wish.
Now release the arrows......
LOL...this forum is a trip..
For the record...i have no reason to lie...i simply gave my reasons for believing in God..If you recall my first post on this forum gave out my real name, city i live, kingdom hall i attend, and my phone number.
Which shows that i am not one to "just shoot arrows out of the fog"...
The stories that I tell, have not only happened to my family but also to many people who have visited that house. Things also happened in the homes surrounding my grandparents house. I think it has more to do with the area the house is located than really the house it self.
Oh before I forget...the way the bible descibes demons fits perfectly the occurences in that home. Demons in the bible took joy in terryfying people. For those that believe the bible, i give you the numerous occasions of demons posessing people. Obviously, that would be a terryfying experience to the person possessed and the people who saw what that person experienced.
Also, some quick words...to all the people who don't believe..thats ok...but be careful how you express your belief or dis-belief...I noticed a tendency to just immediately discredit, demean, and attack what you don't neccesarily agree with or believe in. I also noticed a tendency for a little name-calling.
Are not these some of the same things that you bash the WT about...name calling and generilizing without merit!!!
Contrary to what the folks who believe in science say...millions of people around the world haved experienced extra-physical phenomenon that can not be immediately explained away by scientific theory or methods..to say that science has proven that "haunted houses" don't exist is a LIE...there has never been exhaustive research done on the subject. INDEPENDENT entities have conducted ISOLATED examinations of ISOLATED circumstances, but never has the scientific community banded together to come up with a definitive answer to the subject...
Whats even more disheartening, is that the people who immediately discredited my story, never mentioned if they had done THEIR OWN research..They only stated their OPINIONS..or mentioned something they read..
RESEARCHING IS NOT TYPING IN "HAUNTED HOUSES" IN GOOGLE AND THEN TAKING AS LAW THE FIRST 5 RESULTS YOU READ!!! NEITHER IS WATCHING A FEW "EXPOSES" ON GHOSTS ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
There is an old mantra in science that i suggest you people follow:
ONLY TRUST... YOUR OWN...RESEARCH!!!!!!
Think about it...if people did not personally research, and only believed what was written, we would still believing the earth is flat or the earth sits on elephants or we would be communicating by letter or using alternative means of transportation...
I wonder what Marconi or Edison or Davinci or Einstein or Archimedes or Copernicus or Newton or Sagan would say about the importance of PERSONAL RESEARCH..I think its obvious by the way they lived their lives..
Now you can call it Demons, you can say Nature, you can call it Manifestations of the mind...but the fact of the matter is that to the person who is experiencing the phenomenon..IT IS REAL..what you call it doesn't matter..
With that said fire away...
You non-researchers..lol ;-)
I wonder what Marconi or Edison or Davinci or Einstein or Archimedes or Copernicus or Newton or Sagan would say about the importance of PERSONAL RESEARCH..I think its obvious by the way they lived their lives..
Einstein said: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." He was quoting Isaac Newton. Both men recognized the importance of the research that others had done. No scientist could possibly do there own personal research in every subject. I agree, it would be ludicrous just to accept someone's word for whether or not ghost's exist. We know how fallable the human mind is. It misinterprets data. It sees a jacket on a chair and sees a body, or hears a tree rattling on a roof and imagines footsteps. That is why we have the scientific method. It is quite a different thing to look at the data of people studying these paranormal activities in a genuinely scientific way. The reason I brought up Michael Shermer is that he doesn't simply announce: "This house isn't haunted!" In most cases he actually figures out the real cause of the "paranormal" incidents.
Similarly, in investigating haunted houses, we must have a baseline measurement of noises, creaks, and other events before we can say that an occurrence is unusual (and therefore mysterious). I used to hear rapping sounds in the walls of my house. Ghosts? Nope. Bad plumbing. I occasionally hear scratching sounds in my basement. Poltergeists? Nope. Rats. One would be well-advised to first thoroughly understand the probable worldly explanation before turning to other-worldly ones. - Michael Shermer
You are right, science cannot say that there is no such thing as a haunted house. It also can't say that there is no such thing as a unicorn or a leprechaun. In all these instances, it can only say that in every case that has been investigated it has produced no evidence to support their existence.
Sounds like your 'reason to believe in [a very specific] God' is more like 'reason to believe something weird is happening in your house'.
Why is is that this house is so 'haunted'? And where are the visions of angels chasing the demons away etc.?
Why are some houses 'haunted' while most are peaceful? Seems like demons are trapped in some houses like birds in a cage, unable to escape the wooden walls.
But, by all means, I did the same thing you do once. I had a 'footsteps' experience when I was a kid, and growing up, for lack of evidence of angels or God, I took that experience at least as a sign that the spirit world existed, and therefore God had to exist as well. So I can relate, although it's really a non sequitur.
After I stopped believing in it, I've never had such an experience again. But - I guess Satan now already has me, so he doesn't need to play games with me anymore, while Christians are persecuted by demons and therefore see them... yes, I know the whole spiel.
Please understand that in no way am i discrediting the research of people like Shermer..what i am sayng is that that his research represents HIS findings...they neither prove or disprove anything conclusively...they only prove or disprove for HIM...his research is not exhaustive enough or conducted thoroughly enough to be classified as definitive proof...honestly the methods he uses to reach his result when investigating these houses are not indicitive or representitive of the types of experiences manifest in these circumstances...shall i prove?
Normally, he and researchers like him go into a house for an overnight stay or perhaps a week at the most to conduct research...herein lies the qualifier that makes their research invalid in MY OPINION..
In the overwhelming majority of cases...the phenomenon that people like the ones in my family experienced did not manifest themselves EVERYDAY ALL DAY..but rather they were isolated but consistent occurences over a period of MANY YEARS...so in order to set up a scientific examination that would accurately replicate the environment needed to draw definative conclusions..these researchers need to do ONGOING CONTINUING research over the course of MANY YEARS...has any study been done on a specific paranormal incident that meets all the qualifiers needed to accurately draw DEFINITIVE CONCLUSIONS on the topic...NO...NO..NO..
Therefore any Isolated findings...while worthy of consideration...should not...and frankly can not be used to draw a definitive conclusion...any conclusion drawn from such research is premature and relative and should not be used to formulate a definitive belief...present opinion, maybe...belief no
Oh and for the poster that asked why i used this as a reason to believe in god...maybe i should qualify my statement...It partly shaped my beliefs...science neither disproves or proves the spiritual conclusively...it only conclusively proves or disproves the spiritual for that particular person...
People please remember...your beliefs neither are definitive or absolute...they are only definitive and absolute for YOU...
Ok I step down off the soapbox
Hi! I'm a hardcore skeptic. I don't believe in the supernatural. I do need proof to believe in this stuff.I have seen these so called "shadow people". I started seeing them after I started suffering from major depression and insomnia. I would be going about my business and I would see a shadow person out of the corner of my eye. They looked so real and exactly the shape of a person. I would see them and would have to do a double take. Of course, they would be gone when I looked back. I'm sure my insomnia and depression meds where responsible for this, cause ever since I've gotten over both things I've stopped seeing them. I agree with some people here that say that mental illnesses causes people to see things.
Ahmen, LunaFing.
Luna...
i think you are perfectly justified in needing further proof to believe these types of things. you also mention the mental aspect of it. Yes, it is true that certain types of psychosis can cause people to seemingly experience these types of manifestations. My father who is an elder...has worked in the mental health field for 30years. He the Director of Staff Development and Training for Northeast Florida State Hospital...One of the largest Mental treatment facilities i the U.S. Thru Osmosis i have gained a relatively extensive knowledge of Mental Health Practice, Policy, and Procedure..
What my family experienced is not the same thing as what those types of patients experience...shall i prove?
Think about this...in the vast majority of cases...people that suffer from the types of psychosis that cause the types of manifestations we're referring to...see those manifestations continuously...and more importantly the psychosis manifests itself NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE..in otherwords..
They see "Ghosts", hear voices, and get tortured by "demons"..in their bedroom, at the mall, at Applebee's, at church, while using the restroom at the reststop...
NOT JUST AT THEIR GRANDPARENTS HOUSE...EVERYWHERE
The fact that my families experiences are limitited to just one locale, and also are shared by not just residents of the home...but friends and visitors...shows this to be more of phyical manifestation than a mental..
Also, the poster named "Galileo" mentioned "mass hysteria"
Mass Hysteria has certain charateristics...namely it being a shared experience by multiple people...but the problem with this theory is that one of the other important qualifiers for it to be "mass hysteria" is the fact that experience would need to be shared at the same time and with prior knowledge of the events causing the hysteria...
My point is that...we have had people who had no orior knowledge of the houses history experience the phenomenon..
So you see...To the people involved with the story I told...its real..not in our minds
