WHY I believe there is a GOD..listen up...poster named "parakeet" (page 4)

logic&reason

I was shutting the outside lights off last night, and when I looked out the window, I saw a coyote in my backyard!

Then I realized that it was just a plastic lawn chair.

undercover

Ever notice that most people who claim to believe in supernatural occurences usually tell stories about something happening to someone they know but most no one ever says, "this happened to me..."

Even our new friend, 'dirtyknections' keeps going on and on how parents, aunts, uncles, friends, keep experiencing these things yet the only thing he/she admits to experiencing is hearing footsteps.

Your mind can play tricks on you. If you fear the unknown and have heard all these ghost stories, it wouldn't take much to rattle your subconscience. That could be what's happening to all of your family...they're so afraid of demons they mistake every little noise or unexplained happening as "demons!" and then over time the stories grow larger and more scary.

I remember a circuit overseer who told the story of how his wife woke up to the bed shaking every night while staying with another family. By the time that she woke up her husband, the shaking had stopped. She was so sure that it was the demons and she reasoned that the family had some bad music or books in the house. After several nights of her being awoken by the shaking bed, the CO stayed up and waited to see what would happen. Well, the bed was shaking...it was the family's fat house cat jumping up on the foot of the bed and cleaning himself. He was such a large cat, that he shook the whole bed while licking himself clean. When the CO sat up, the cat jumped down and ran out of the room. Apparently every time the cat cleaned himself and woke the wife, he would jump down and run, thus leaving the startled CO's wife wondering what happened.

What was interesting to me was that the CO never believed the demon connection...he knew there had to be a reasonable answer.

dirtyknections

and those reasonable explanations are...lol..

For the record the reason i haven't experienced much is because my grandmothers house was up the street from the house I grew up in...so i never stayed there for extended periods of time...

Undercover...

If you like you can call me and i will let you speak with some of the people who experienced things in that home...if that is indeed your reason for not believing my "footsteps story"...for the record lemme tell my "footsteps" story...

One night my cousin, who was visiting from Tampa, and I decided to spend the night with my grandmother because she was getting older and began needing help.

Well my grandmother had a certain routine that she followed when she had "company" over...as she liked to call it (man i miss her...oh the stories she used to tell about the "old days"). She would get up about 6am and begin to prepare breakfast. Now mind you this is and extremely old wooden house so when people walk thru the house you can definitely hear. You know it sounds like "doomp..doomp..doomp" when someone walks in the house (yeah i know thats a weak onomonopedia...lol)anyway.. I was awakened by "her" footsteps so I got up to see if I could help her with anything...well when i walked into the living room no one was there..so i walked into the kitchen and then the bathroom..and saw no one..so i didn't thnk anything of it..i just went back to my room...now my cousin was sleeping in the same room. He also heard the footsteps...he asked if grandma was getting ready to cook..i said no...i guess shes still sleep..

Well, about 30 minutes later we heard the footsteps again.."doomp..doomp..doomp..doomp..doomp...doomp...doomp...doomp"..so i immediately walked out again to see if my grandmother needed any help...again i walked around the house and saw no one..i finally walked into her bedroom..she was fast asleep...

When she finally did get up about 30 minutes... later i asked her if she had gotten up and walked around the house earlier that morning...she no, that she had been fast asleep and this is her first time getting out of bed...she later made the comments that those "things" as she called it had been bothring her again...she said, "they" had been moving around her perfume and jewelery on her dresser..

So there you have...my footsteps story...whether you believe or not...makes me no matter...I DO...and thats whats important

funkyderek

dirtyknections:

So there you have...my footsteps story...whether you believe or not...makes me no matter...I DO...and thats whats important

What's not to believe? You thought you heard footsteps and it turns out you were mistaken. I can believe that happened.

What's more difficult to understand is your thought process. You heard a noise which you initially believed to be your grandmother's footsteps. When you discovered that it almost certainly wasn't, you decided that the only other possible source of the noise was demons, which you believed in anyway as they had for many years been your standard explanation for everything even remotely mysterious. The apparent existence of mischievous invisible creatures then causes you to believe in a very specific deity (although, in reality, this was merely the deity you were indoctrinated to believe in).

Your challenge for science to simultaneously disprove all the diverse claims of "woo-woo" is as ridiculous as the claims themselves. All that can be done is what the likes of Michael Shermer have done, i.e. disprove individual claims on a case-by-case basis. There will always be someone else with an overactive imagination who will say: "OK, so that 'haunted house' turned out to be due to some dodgy old plumbing, but this one house is really haunted.,.," and it should be obvious that the burden of proof does not lie with those who doubt these fanciful claims, but rather, with those who make them.

Nathan Natas

Hi dirtyknections,

I think that either

you've seen too many hollywood horror movies and don't realize they're FAKE, or
you need to talk to a psychiatrist, or
you're full of baloney.

I think it will be interesting for you to explain how you made the intellectual leap from "faces in the wall" to Yahweh & Son. How many of the world's religions did you examine in your search for an explanation? I'll guess that you never left "smallville" in your search for an explanation.

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Shamus100 asked Outlaw for a reference regardiing the Catholic origin of the name "Jehovah."

What more authoritative source could there be but the "faithful and discreet slave?"

The pronunciations "Jehovah" and "Yahweh"
By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho •n ay' and 'Elo • him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho •wah' and Yeho wih' were formed . The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova (h) ." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C .E . Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270 .
- Aid To Bible Understanding, 1971, article: "Jehovah"

Nathan Natas

Logic&Reason told us,

I was shutting the outside lights off last night, and when I looked out the window, I saw a coyote in my backyard!
Then I realized that it was just a plastic lawn chair.

Wait, L&R, don't you mean the coyote TURNED INTO a lawn chair? LOL!

dirtyknections

funkyderek...

your summation of my thought process...is no different in nature than the apostates thought process toward apostates and "independent thinkers"

You stated that i said, demons were the source of anything even remotely mysterious and had been my standard explanation for years as to such things...I ask you to please go back and quote where i said such a thing...you saying that is akin to the way the society misquoted various scientists in the creation book...now lemme deduce the reason for you doing that...

AWWW I got it!!! You want to strengthen your augment, by twisting my words to sound as outlandish as possible..typical workings of an inept mind...how about this...refer to my previous post on possible scientific explanations..

here you go...Unfortunately, I did not challenge science...your scientific responses challegened me..simply put...

NEITHER SCIENCE NOR RELIGION DEFINITIVELY PROVE...SCIENCE AND RELIGION ONLY DEFINTIVELY PROVE THE ONE SEEKING THE TRUTH

logic&reason

I think it might have been an "evil" lawn chair...

veen

For those who believe in demons. Are you aware of the effect, potency and proliferation of hallucinogenic drugs? And have you ever knowingly used drugs? And can you produce any evidence which is impossible to fake? And how does supernatural activity prove the existence of 'God' anyway even if you believe it? If you are convinced you've seen a 'ghost' the only thing you could say for certain is the 'ghost' exists, you have not seen or experienced 'God', only the spirit, no? And if you were a demon, why would you do this kind of stuff to humans? As all it seems to accomplish is a creation of faith in God, surely the last thing a fallen angel would want?

Superfine Apostate

well, ok, so you heard footsteps and your parents told you they saw things. i don't belive it, but that's alright.

but how the hell do you get from hearing footsteps to "there's a god called jehovah and jesus is his son"?

WHY I believe there is a GOD..listen up...poster named "parakeet"

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