Apply PHILOSOPHY to the argument of the TRINITY

by Terry 76 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Rapunzel

  Interestingly enough, I was just reading about the recent trend of using alternate wording in the baptismal rites of certain Roman Catholic churches. It seems that certain North American churches tried to avoid referring to the Trinity with masculine terms.

  Tradionally, all baptisms were performed "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In an effort to avoid such "phallocentric" terminology, certain "progressive" elelments within the Church used the phrasing "in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier," or "in the name of the Creator, Liberator, and Sustainer."

  When asked if baptisms using such phraseology were valid, the Vatcan's Congregtion for the Doctrine of the Faith responded in the negative - no, such baptisms were invalid. All baptisms using alternate wording would have to be redone.

  I think that this point reinforces the point that I made in my earlier post. The only way to apply philosophy to the concept of the Trinity is to study the Trinity as a historical "entity" which has evolved over time.
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  Rapunzel

  BTS - Lovely typography. I know that there is a sort of poetry in which the poet writes verses so that the words employed in the poem appear on the page as pictorial images somehow connected to the idea expressed in the poem. I wonder: Is the term calligrams? Anyway, whatever it's called, yours is a beautiful example. Of course, I realize that the text that you quote was not intended to be a poem.
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  BurnTheShips

  BTS - Lovely typography.

  Thanks!

  It is poetic, isn't it?

  BTS
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  Farkel

  : You may begin your questions at this point.

  If a bird isn't a dog, why are there bird dogs?

  Farkel
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  VoidEater

  Rapunzel and BTS: I think that explains the Trinity quite well to me...thanks!
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  cobblers and bollox
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  Rapunzel

  http://www.educationdigitalmedia.com/view/8

  BTS - Yours indeed is an example of a calligram, also called "visual poetry" or "concrete poetry." Guillaume Apollinaire was a Frech poet famous for his calligrams.
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  5go

  Terry, you are arguing with immoral polytheists still in denial. Nothing good can come from that.

  BTW I say immoral because there is a morality that is in the bible that doesn't have to be obeyed for one reason or another. While they then apply that moral compass to others who aren't even christian most of the time. And, polytheist because the trinity is polytheism in concept except when it comes to christianity do to the fact that most Christians feel polytheism aka paganism is wrong.

  If they can't admit to seeing a glaring conflict in their belief system. Then there is little hope that they might see your reason or admit it is good. It's much like a witness that can't see anything wrong with any of the WT beliefs. They for the most part do see them, but they have that process going that forbids them from ever admitting they see them. Notice trinitarian tend to use tricks similar to the WT to hide the fact that the trinity is indefensible. That is. you can't understand it now, have faith god will show later, it's something only god can really know, or god told you to believe it so believe it or else you will suffer. You know the same old weak arguments that people grasping at straws use to bolster their poor arguments.
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  myelaine

  dear Terry...

  " The pre-condition of communication is that you have something ABOUT WHICH you are communicating! "...

  And the clouds fell into the sea... As the clouds watched the night below the dreamer and his dream.
  All life was free and then twas gone.
  What a sad, sad song the morning brought anew as though tomorrow were today.
  What can we say? The words don't linger long.
  Beneath the cloak of hidden wonder in the tundra of our yesterdays I see the face of one who lingered.
  Her fingers touched the silent earth and flowers tumbled into view.
  Our tears are dew and rainfall in the shimmering hush of goodbyes and adieu.
  
  T.

  " Defining things, exposing them to scrutiny for their functioning is to remove them from what is hidden (mystical) "...

  For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. James 1;23-25

  For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12

  love michelle
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  Terry

  Ha ha ha ha ha!

  WONDERFUL!

  Thanks to all of you for jumping in to what promises to be a stimulating discussion.

  In my opening post I stopped short to allow and invite varying views to flow in.

  They did!

  I will answer each one separately in the following segments.

  When I started this thread I intended (and still do) to create a completely different kind of discussion than the one we ordinarily have here.

  It is a sort of GAME. The name of this game is PHILOSOPHY.

  Every game has an object and rules.

  If you will all indulge me by reading the (legthy) segment that follows you'll discover the game I propose and the rules of engagement.

  Otherwise, we have the same old same old. Been there, done that. Right?

  Thank you for taking the time and patience to read what follows.

  See next post....