ARE YOU AN INTELLECTUAL? Why not?

by Terry 102 Replies latest jw friends

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    An intellectual (involving thought and reason) is one who tries to use his or her intellect

    to work, study, reflect, speculate, or ask and answer questions about a wide variety of different ideas ....( Wikipedia)

    Knowingly, or unknowingly most people fit that definition, having a natual desire to fill in the blanks they look for answers. Sadly, many of us have intellects that are impaired (whatever may be the cause) and are lame in our ability to reason. Thinking comes easy, using reason with our thinking is very difficult.

    I'm as much an intellectal as anyone. Wether I'm a "reasoning intellectual" is obscure. I leave it to others to make that judgement.

  • dogisgod
    dogisgod

    Depends on who or what you compare me to.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    FHN

    I joined mensa back when I left the dubs. I was desperately looking for friends.

    Nowadays I dare not mention it to anyone (and rarely do on this board) because I get derided for it.

    Fact: People hate mensans.

    Sirona

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Some of the time.

    S

  • Octarine Prince
    Octarine Prince

    Mensans don't do enough charity work.

    (I turned down membership offers from them, and from their rivals, the International High IQ Society)

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I see some flaws in your progressive argument, though I do believe your natural talent was (unjustly) suppressed by the society. I find the Watchtower society oppressive of all individual talent, not just the intellectuals. There are the people-smart, and the compassionate givers. Their natural talents are similarly suppressed by the society.

    Why would they do that? Because individuality cannot be controlled. The Watchtower Society is all about control. Sometimes control is good, for instance, when an army is marching out to war. The general must be confident that masses of people will do what he asks, when he asks it. But is the Watchtower Society at war? Perhaps a megalomaniac may say so (i.e. Russell, Rutherford). After all, a megalomaniac is not terribly concerned about the welfare of his subjects. Rather, that he has lots and lots of people who will bend to his will. Are megalomaniacs running the show these days? I don't think so. But the machine has been built so someone has to maintain it. I think we have maintenance staff running the show these days. But now it runs without a definite purpose. It exists to feed itself.

    In primitive societies there are no Intellectual leaders---there are only Witch Doctors.

    A grand, sweeping statement with no foundation in fact. My study of relatively "primitive" cultures indicates that there are just as many "intellectuals" and other talents in these communities. People are not that different around the world. Some communities that do not have the modern conveniences that we associate with an "advanced" culture, may have a superior lifestyle. That is, the community is supporive and loving towards it's individual members far more than our fractured, structured, compartmentalized industrial society.

    A genuine intellectual applies workable philosophical strategies and improves life as a result of what they know.

    I'd like to see you work up a more robust description of a "genuine" intellectual. Workable by what definition? Could an intellectual specialize, for instance, on an obscure branch of philosophy, with little practical application, and still be "genuine"?

    Must a genuine intellectual necessarily improve life based on their new learning? Or is it enough to study and to leave the application to others? Is a genuine intellectual obliged to share what they know?

    I would also suggest you include the concept of an honest intellectual. I think an intellectual, to be true to him/herself, must apply the same rigor to their own suppositions. They must be able to admit to error and revise their view of the world. No matter how uncomfortable that might be.

    So, I ask you: ARE YOU AN INTELLECTUAL or not? If not, why not?

    I would modify the question to ask, "Are you true to yourself or not?"

    I do happen to be an intellectual. And I believe I am as true to my principles, and as honest with myself as my poor heart will allow. Please remember, though, that the path to honesty is a painful road, and not travelled in a day. It's a journey of self-discovery. Why wouldn't we just embrace it all at once? Because the truth hurts.

    Ecc 2:14-16 (CEV) Wisdom is like having two good eyes; foolishness leaves you in the dark. But wise or foolish, we all end up the same. Finally, I said to myself, "Being wise got me nowhere! The same thing will happen to me that happens to fools. Nothing makes sense. Wise or foolish, we all die and are soon forgotten.

    Ecc 9:13-16 CEV) Once I saw what people really think of wisdom. It happened when a powerful ruler surrounded and attacked a small city where only a few people lived. The enemy army was getting ready to break through the city walls. But the city was saved by the wisdom of a poor person who was soon forgotten. So I decided that wisdom is better than strength. Yet if you are poor, no one pays any attention to you, no matter how smart you are.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    "Suerte me de Dios, que saber de nada vale"

    Better lucky than wise.

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    I love learning and have an aptitude for it. I wouldn't feel comfortable labelling myself as "an intellectual".

    Mickey.

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Yes, and it took only one critical thinking college class to turn me into one. That class taught me to think for myself. Since then, I've read about 1/2 of the Bible without blinders and my life took a U-turn.

  • Terry
    Terry
    In primitive societies there are no Intellectual leaders---there are only Witch Doctors.

    A grand, sweeping statement with no foundation in fact. My study of relatively "primitive" cultures indicates that there are just as many "intellectuals" and other talents in these communities.

    Any social network (including just one family) can be primitive, or, it can be advanced.

    By what standard?

    By the practical standard of a life well-lived: Prosperity, health, education and improvement.

    The chief benefit to bonding with a group to form a society is the multiplying of individual strengths to magnify outcome of application.

    The purpose of any group is a measure of its philosophy. The leadership is key.

    A primitive philosophy cannot produce education, wealth, health and morality. It can only produce servants, vassals and believers who are kept in a rut of faith in their leaders.

    A dysfunctional family is a primitive society just as a dysfunctional nation is primitive.

    The mean of well-being is the barometer of success.

    A nation, society or family is the totality of the group and not just the highest 1 or 2%.

    The Witch-Doctor is the embodiment of leadership by appeal to emotion and ritual. The Witch Doctor uses superstition, fear and an appeal to obedience to control the group dynamic and suck out a living by promising more than he can deliver.

    A genuine intellectual applies workable philosophical strategies and improves life as a result of what they know.

    I'd like to see you work up a more robust description of a "genuine" intellectual. Workable by what definition? Could an intellectual specialize, for instance, on an obscure branch of philosophy, with little practical application, and still be "genuine"?

    A genuine anything matches its identity to its description.

    A person who knows all the best information and yet lives contrary to its benefit is not a genuine intellectual. They are a second-hander.

    What is a second-hander? A person who lives off the opinions of others rather than their own achievements.

    A Jehovah's Witness must, often, live a double life pretending to be what the Watchtower tells them they must be. They know their own life is a mess--but, as long as they can live the lie convincingly--their success comes to them second-hand. Phoney reflected opinion they are in a brotherhood of genuine Christians, a paradise on Earth and ark of salvation. Their "accurate knowledge" isn't genuine intellectuality, it is primitive because they must function with the approval of their Witch Doctor.

    Your personal philosophy is your software program that runs all your applications. For a philosophy to benefit you it must be workable: it must have practical applications in your daily life. You must come out ahead. You must prosper. Otherwise, your strategy is wrong.

    Must a genuine intellectual necessarily improve life based on their new learning? Or is it enough to study and to leave the application to others? Is a genuine intellectual obliged to share what they know?

    A genuine intellectual must live their own life, possess their own identity, create their own prosperity and succeed at proving their own philosophy is practical, workable and beneficial.

    People who study and know things and live a life that is a crumbling, pathetic, mess are not genuine anythings but genuine second-handers. Why? They seek to put on a false front of intellectuality so they can puff up their self-image with OPINION rather than substance.

    The Anointed are second-handers. The Governing Body are second-handers. Their claim to fame is the OPINION of others. Nothing intrinsic about them is real. Jehovah's Witnesses as a group are second-handers as they bask in the approval of their elders and pretend to fit the idealized descriptions of what they must be in the Watchtower.

    An individual is only individual by becoming the living, breathing embodiment of their own philosophy.

    Your LIFE is the proof of your philosophy.

    Or, your life is the DISproof of your philosophy, intellect and genuineness.

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