Personal Decision, (page 6)

Awakened at Gilead

well i see so everybody its against something, so u still dt accept what i meant by personal decission,so if someone is still in the truth why do u for example say to them oh thats rong etc etc,,,,,

I really don't know where you are going with this so unless you respond to my questions I am not getting back on this waste of time thread....

You say JWs can have personal decisions. I am living proof that this is not true. I told the elders 2 months ago that my personal decision was not to believe in 1914, 1918, 1919, 1938 and 1944. I told them that I did not believe that the men in Brooklyn were the FDS, and I dt recognize the authority of the GB in my life. This was my personal decision. I also told them that I did NOT want to be considered DFd or DAd. But about 7 weeks later there was an announcement in my cong that I am no longer a JW. No scriptures, no discussion. When I called the elders and asked why they made the announcement without my advance knowledge, they told me:

"THAT WAS YOUR PERSONAL DECISION. WE JUST ANNOUNCED IT"

So WTF? I don't get how you come on here and tell me that I can be a JW and still have my personal opinion. Can you call my elders and tell them that? Since they are shunning me for my opinions....

A@G

yknot

PureAlb:

I can see you are a sincere individual and I completely understand your POV, however the existance of this discussion board is because each of us in one way or another has been affected by the WTS, or it's policies.....personal decisions were not allowed....unless you consider it from an all or nothing standpoint.

I believe in freedom to choose. I don't know if you have read the "Pay Attention to Yourself and to All the Flock" Elder manual but if you do or have then you (will) know that apostasy is based on disagreeing with bible truths as taught by the WTS. The WTS never states any opinion without an added scripture, thus making it a 'bible truth'. This leaves the JW (R&F) only to discern when they read a paragraph that starts with "Let the reader discern" .....everything else has already been thought out for them by the WTS. To disagree = apostasy.

Here is another thought I would like you to meditate on and reply back:

If Jesus had thought an 'organization' was a grand idea why didn't he just 'fix' the Pharisees? Surely they started with fine intentions to employ those of the covenant to heed and live by God's Law. Over time though "imperfect men" fell prey to corruption of money and power. They began 'slaving' for two masters and 'beating' their fellow slaves. .....But Jesus didn't 'fix' the Pharisees who had become lovers of themselves more so then the God in whose name they acted.

Rather than bark orders and laws, Jesus spoke in parables that caused his followers to 'discern' the things he was speaking. In order to discern for ones self, one must think, question, and test. The WTS has long disassociated it's members from such thinking and in fact made critical thinking into the evil 'independent thinking". Yet most of those who question the WTS are not doing so 'independently', but rather critically much like the Bereans. When we go in FS we ask householders to critically examine their religion. Have you critically examined the institution of your religion? Do you know of any converted JW who did critically evaluate the WTS before joining? What would happen to you found out that 1914 as it is now was never taught by Judge Rutherford, but that Franz decided this change and set about to write it's chronology much like he wrote the 1975 chronology.

Follow the Bible's advice and be like the Bereans....careful to examine.

Perhaps you would be interested in examining some of the WTS claims. Many of the posters here would gladly share copies of past WTS publications for your personal examination.

Again welcome & keep posting!......Yknot

hamilcarr

well i see so everybody its against something, so u still dt accept what i meant by personal decission,so if someone is still in the truth why do u for example say to them oh thats rong etc etc,,,,, i would respect someone that encourage someone even if that person its not doing what they doing,,, so if someone of you works as coach, do i have to tell u oh change job i dt like it,,,,,, why not im happy what u are, and maybe hard for me to do what u doing, being against something doesnt lead u anywhere anyway,,

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Many on this board have been judged unfairly. Their judgments are in proportion with this.

Prov1320

well i see so everybody its against something, so u still dt accept what i meant by personal decission,so if someone is still in the truth why do u for example say to them oh thats rong etc etc,,,,,

Purealb, I think you are entirely missing the point of every post in this thread!

It is because JWs are still in the "truth" that they will always treat everyone outside as "worldly" or "apostate", therefore shunning them entirely.

Most non-JWs don't care what you believe in. It's your personal choice. But when beliefs harm relationships and families, that's when the line must be drawn, regardless of your religion or background.

Do you really believe your own words? Would you follow the society's council to "shun" a family member if he/she becomes disfellowshipped? Do you still go out in the ministry because you need to convince others that their religion is wrong and that if they don't change they will be destroyed in armageddon?

The reality is, my friend, that you cannot, and they society will NOT allow you to, let people have their own opinions and accept them if they are contrary to the WTS.

What more can be said?

PureAlb

i havent read what u have posted or who u really are, just one thing no metter how long u were in the truth, were u ever happy, cos now u are giving me numbers no to believe, the thing is u did believe them once, its not u just waked way only cos of that, and yeah they were right to announce that, thats why its called congregation isnt it,like a family so everyone should know whats going on up to a certain point. elders ar ther to inform, they just announced yr decission i dt see any rong on that, now if u dt believe really, still why do u waste yr time here posting anyway or u just feel lonly cos yr friends arent talking to u no more, dt get me rong im not trying to offend u or anything, but hey this is internet, anybody can be anybody here, u never know them, i would like to agree in some points with u but u not saying how really things stand.

Awakened at Gilead

still why do u waste yr time here posting anyway or u just feel lonly cos yr friends arent talking to u no more, dt get me rong im not trying to offend u or anything, but hey this is internet, anybody can be anybody here, u never know them, i would like to agree in some points with u but u not saying how really things stand.

Waste my time? This site has saved my life! I think most people who post here are not wasting their time. But if they are JW apologists, then....they are wasting my time.

Feel lonely? Not since I left JWs. My social life is exploding, since I have 6 billion more people to associate with.

Friends aren't talking? That's true... it's their loss, not mine. I'm not shunning them, they're shunning me.

Not trying to offend? Yes you are.

Anybody can be anybody? I have my true pic up on my avatar. Why don't you do the same, mister.

Not saying how things really stand? I don't get it, you're calling me a liar? Do you want my BOE's phone numbers? PM me and I'll give them to you. They already told me never to call them again, since they don't shepherd apostates.

What I don't understand is what is your purpose on coming to JWD?

PureAlb

Prov1320 well as yr nick name says right? its a proverb so 13 20 can be used for everyone though not only for christians,,,,,,,

PureAlb

i wasnt trying to offend u in no way, anyway i see u have taken the truth in a rong way,,,if u really wanted to leave the truth then u could have just simply walked way. u chose to leave without explanations, anyway im happy for u that u are happy,,,,and hey i do respect all 6 billion people as well its just i dt have to do what they do, otherwise i do respect every person that i worked and i went college, i mean the people that i know in person ok,the world its huge

PureAlb

at the end of the day JWs do not say we are the survivers,,,,they just trying to please God, if in yr world there is god

yknot

PureAlb:

Have you ever 'served' in a congregation? If you have then you know how much is scripted.

The Branch orders the DO who orders the CO who orders the PO who orders the BOE/MS who orders the flock.

Perhaps again you would be willing to examine some publications like the Elder manual, branch organizational manual , LTRs etc.

Perhaps Scully can repost the PT outlines.

Are you open to examining these WTS produced documents?

When "new light" is presented do you react by saying to yourself "ahhh the end is near and food at the proper time" or do you ever wonder if there was an alternative motivation.

What did you think about the unsealing of 1935?

Personal Decision,

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