The copper serpent....drives me nuts!

by oompa 43 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    For some background on serpent symbolism in Ancient Near Eastern (and particularly Israelite) religion, see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/73244/1.ashx

    The prohibition on images is but one part of the comparatively late (7th century BC) authoritarian reform of Judean religion initiated by the Jerusalem monarchy (especially under Josiah). The Bible texts (written after this reform) give a rather confusing picture as they read the "new rules" back into the foundational times of "Moses" (notably in Deuteronomy), so they have to explain why a reform was needed in the first place. The usual "explanation," of course, is foreign influence and infidelity. But central features like the copper serpent on the pole right in Yhwh's temple have to be rationalised as an original institution of Yhwh (whence the story in Numbers) which was later "perverted" in an "idolatrous" way and then discarded. Others like the golden kerubim, which were not affected by Josiah's reform, are never criticised.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    For some background on serpent symbolism in Ancient Near Eastern (and particularly Israelite) religion, see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/73244/1.ashx

    The prohibition on images is but one part of the comparatively late (7th century BC) authoritarian reform of Judean religion initiated by the Jerusalem monarchy (especially under Josiah). The Bible texts (written after this reform) give a rather confusing picture as they read the "new rules" back into the foundational times of "Moses" (notably in Deuteronomy), so they have to explain why a reform was needed in the first place. The usual "explanation," of course, is foreign influence and infidelity. But central features like the copper serpent on the pole right in Yhwh's temple have to be rationalised as an original institution of Yhwh (whence the story in Numbers) which was later "perverted" in an "idolatrous" way and then discarded. Others like the golden kerubim, which were not affected by Josiah's reform, are never criticised.

    This is all conjecture and speculation of course. BTS

  • dinah
    dinah

    Moses staff turned into a snake to prove to Pharoah he was sent by god, too.

  • oompa
    oompa
    LZ:

    Yeah! Also, wasn't the serpent made out to be the bad guy (that whole Satan thing), so why make the Isrealites gaze on it so they wouldn't die? That's like looking to the devil to be saved!

    HAHAHAHA!

    ABSOLUTELY!!! What a mindfluck!

    NVR:

    Maybe Moses was getting mixed up with some Midianite folklore?

    Maybe Moses was getting mixe up with some Midianite POONTANG!!!!!!!!!!!!..........oompa

  • lrkr
    lrkr

    Its great how they take about 6 lines in the bible about some ancient snake curse and draw a picture of it and have us teach it to our kids (nice bedtime story) so that they know that if you disobey God he will send snakes to kill you.

    (Why don't we make a story about St. Patrick in Ireland chasing off the snakes too. Has about as much credibility.)

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    NVR:

    Maybe Moses was getting mixed up with some Midianite folklore?

    Maybe Moses was getting mixe up with some Midianite POONTANG!!!!!!!!!!!!..........oompa

    Undoubtedly an effective way of conveying folklore.

  • oompa
    oompa
    lrkr: Its great how they take about 6 lines in the bible about some ancient snake curse and draw a picture of it and have us teach it to our kids (nice bedtime story) so that they know that if you disobey God he will send snakes to kill you.

    The fact thay ANY of us born ins are even funtioning in society is amazing to me......we are survivors!!

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    No different from the Watchtower symbol on every washtowel, asleep, piece of littera-trash, and Kingdumb Hell. Where you see that idol, if you read the information contained therein and do not read anything that contradicts it, it is supposed to save your life.

  • LovesDubs
    LovesDubs

    Hey copper is going for about $2.50 a pound...grab that sucka and recycle his ass.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Yes the Copper Serpent story always troubled me - it totally contradicts the graven images and is a glaring contradiction

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