"Modern Bibles" Are Based on Wescott and Hort - Who Were They? Part I

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  • Perry
    Perry

    Burn no doubt that God will use anything and anyone to spread the gospel. I certainly didn't come to believe in the Lord by just reading the KJV. That doesn't mean that it is still not extremely important for doctrinal reasons to determine exactly what God said.

    Besides, there is not a single doctrinal difference between the TR and the newer master texts. Not one.

    Have you researched this out? From what I seen in my studies, a variety of influences are at work on MB's that make them inferior to the KJV, doctrinally.

    Let's take one example that we're all familiar with and all suffered quite a bit from it's doctrinally inferior form:

    Matthew 24: 45

    KJV - Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

    NIV - "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

    NASB - "Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time?

    Jewish Bible - "Who is the faithful and sensible servant whose master puts him in charge of the household staff, to give them their food at the proper time?

    RS - "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

    NWT - “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

    Now I don't know exactly why the King James Version uses the indefinite article 'a" as opposed to the definite article "the" here. But the fact is that they did. Perhaps because there is no definite article in the Greek they consulted an early different language copy that did contain the indefinite article. I don't know....haven't researched it out.

    What I do know is that my mother and father hang onto this scripture for dear life and at the behest of the WT, have determined that their salvation is dependent on finding the one religion (instead of Christ) who really is THE faithful and discreet salve. Possibly, they ( and previously us) would not have followed a cult had we read 'a" faithful and discreet slave, or at least less apt to.

    The RSV was largely Wescott's and Hort's doing from my understanding. I can just see 'ole Russell scratching his white beard reading it. And, in all his eccentricity thinking, maybe, just maybe..... I'm the Faithful and Wise Servant foretold from long ago. Later, his cronies certainly claimed that title for themselves and made themselves an anti-christ.

    The rest is history.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Perry

    This thread is about Modern Bibles

    And what are the oldest manuscripts?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Burn,

    That was part of the article. Not from me.

  • Perry
    Perry

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    Hi Sir,

    I was cutting and pasting from a CD that I purchased, not from a website and did not see that. Thank's for bringing that to my attention. I'll paraphrase in the future.

  • Perry
    Perry
    And what are the oldest manuscripts?

    Deputy,

    The oldest manuscripts are the latin manuscripts that predate Vaticanus and Sinaiticus by around 150 to 200 years. These agree with the TR. and not the modern critical texts.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    You are comparing translations.

    To make a point you should be using the master texts.

    Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus tiV ara estino pistoV douloV kai fronimoV on katesthsen o kurioV autou epi thV qerapeias autou tou didonai autoiV thn trofhn en kairw

    Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus tiV ara estin o pistoV douloV kai fronimoV on katesthsen o kurioV autou epi thV qerapeias autou tou didonai autoiV thn trofhn en kairw

    Byzantine Majority tiV ara estin opistoV douloV kai fronimoV on katesthsen o kurioV autou epi thV qerapeias autou tou didonai autoiV thn trofhn en kairw

    Alexandrian tiV ara estin o pistoV douloV kai fronimoV on katesthsen o kurioV epi thV oiketeias autou tou dounai autoiV thn trofhn en kairw

    Hort and Westcott
    tiV ara estin o pistoV douloV kai fronimoV on katesthsen o kurioV epi thV oiketeiaV autou tou dounai autoiV thn trofhn en kairw

    All the quotes above say "ho piston doulon kai phronimos" regardless of version.

    Word for word:

    "the faithful slave and discreet"

    I hope Narkissos chimes in.

    BTS

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog
    The oldest manuscripts are the latin manuscripts that predate Vaticanus and Sinaiticus by around 150 to 200 years.

    No, they are the only ones you choose to recognize because they agree with your precious TR.

  • Perry
    Perry
    To make a point you should be using the master texts.

    I do not agree with that. No one reads the master texts except scholars. The folks for whom the text was primarily written were the common folk. They read God's word in the vernacular and base their their theological decisions accordingly.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Read my post again, I added the greek text.

    I do not agree with that. No one reads the master texts except scholars. The folks for whom the text was primarily written were the common folk. They read God's word in the vernacular and base their their theological decisions accordingly.

    You OP was about MASTER TEXTS. Now you are saying in essence that they do not count! Changing the rules!

    "Modern Bibles" Are Based on Wescott and Hort - Who Were They? Part I
  • Perry
    Perry
    No, they are the only ones you choose to recognize because they agree with your precious TR.

    Deputy Dog,

    Of course the TR is precious. It helped facilitate the Reformation and the greatest missionary work the world has ever known.

    If you have some information contrary to my understanding, why are you witholding it?

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