All Scientists Believe Global Warming is a Fact

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  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Many researchers say that there was a dual effect from the CFC ban, and the substitution of other CFC molecules. They think that the hole is still slowly expanding, but that the rate of expansion is now lower. They also fear that the first generation of replacement CFCs are in fact extremely powerful global warming agents - many times more powerful in that regard than simple CO2. Warming, in itself, has the secondary effect of making ozone production slower, thus making the seasonal "hole" effect more severe.

    It is a compromise much like use of nuclear power to avoid coal fired electricity plants. Yes, the CO2 from coal is of course reduced, but the other effects (waste) may be even less manageable. Of course, if you are only focused on CO2 (like most of the global warming enthusiasts), then you are probably willing to make any tradeoff whatsoever - sort of like the fixation on ozone and the CFCs some years back - back when everybody thought the earth was cooling, BTW.

    As there are only a few decades of actual data from observation at the poles, what happens over the next 50 years to ozone is really as much speculation as what global temperatures will do.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    SixofNiine, I don't know if you were ranting at me or at Farkel, but let me ask you this:

    If the CFC revolution was such a "scientific success story", then should I take your word that the Ozone hole is now gone?

    No, you may not twist my words in that manner. Thank you for asking. A man who's take on a problem (that the entire world scientific and policy community is working) is informed mostly by the negative emotions involved with the cost of fixing his leaking auto a/c should probably not be trying to play gotcha, agreed? And I'll remind you that you used the term "ozone hole" yourself.

    The current state of progress as the EPA sees it:

    Provided that we stop producing ozone-depleting substances, ozone will be created through natural processes that should return the ozone layer to normal levels by about 2050.

  • BurnTheShips
  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    That brings up a good point BTS, why aren't you fu$&ers embarrassed when you bring up Al Gore and the internet? You're propagating a well debunked lie every time you do it.

    BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic and international issues in a minute, but let's just wrap up a little bit of the politics right now.

    Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?

    GORE: Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

    But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.


    Vinton Cerf, who as much as anyone did invent the internet, had the following to say here: Link

    Al Gore and the Internet By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development. No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President.  No other elected official, to  
    our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time. Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    That brings up a good point BTS, why aren't you fu$&ers embarrassed when you bring up Al Gore and the internet? You're propagating a well debunked lie every time you do it.

    It's a joke. If your skin was any thinner you would bleed to death. Oh and it is nice to see you changed your "Bush Kissing Saud" avatar.

    Now please do us all a favor and

    alt

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    It seems to me that SixofNine has a much deeper emotional investment with Gore & Company than the rest of us. And, may I humbly suggest that it appears to be greater than my own "negative emotions over fixing my own car air conditioner". Which in itself is saying something, considering that my favorite car is my 1986 Ferrari Testarossa which cannot be converted from the old Freon. If the day should come, it still runs without any Freon at all...even in Dallas.

    Also, in the interest of civility, maybe we should let the internet thing rest (no matter what Gore said, and he did say something) - it is nonsequiter to this topic anyway.

    BTW, I do not subscribe to any "conspiricy" theory - just the observation that the global warming enthusiasts are practically religious about this...and they simply will not consider any other scientific viewpoint.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Oh and it is nice to see you changed your "Bush Kissing Saud" avatar.

    A) you're transparent when you lie or obfuscate.

    B) you mention the above because you believe that picture was photoshopped.

    C) eat me ;)

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    you mention the above because you believe that picture was photoshopped.

    No I don't. It is tradition in that country to kiss as a greeting. To not do so is rude.

    BTS

  • beksbks
    beksbks
    just the observation that the global warming enthusiasts are practically religious about this

    Wow, that's a pretty flip way of referring to those of who actually take seriously the future of our children and grandchildren.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    maybe we should let the internet thing rest (no matter what Gore said, and he did say something)

    Yes, "he did say something", and I posted it in full context above.

    - it is nonsequiter to this topic anyway.

    Yeah, should be.

    ....except that, for some reason, one side in this argument always drags it out. They've made it part of the national conversation about global warming. Now, if they are that stupid and/or dishonest about this, then it follows that they are probably rather stupid and/or dishonest about everything. And research bears that out.

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