My Pioneer Wedding =Didn't get much money/gifts from invited Brothers!

by Witness 007 30 Replies latest jw experiences

  • cognizant dissident
    cognizant dissident

    I think the big mistake is "expecting" anything in the way of cash and gifts. It only leads to disappointment. Gifts are voluntary offerings and, as has been demonstrated, many JW's do not volunteer to offer much. For many people, it is all about what they can get, (ie, free food and drink).

    I used to set up and cater weddings for a catering company when I was a JW, and I've seen a lot of weddings!. The best mind set with which to enter into the festivities, IMO, is to invite the people you truly care about and want to share your joy with. Supply the food and drinks yourself according to what YOU can comfortably afford for the amount of people you have invited. Do this with an attitude of wanting to host a party and share your happiness with your friends, expecting nothing in return in the way of gifts or cash, just as you would do if you were hosting a party in your own home because you wanted to get all your friends together. (You wouldn't have a cash bar there or expect gifts or cash to be brought in certain amounts, in return for dinner.)

    Whatever gifts you do receive will just be a welcome bonus. If some of your guests are poor, cheap, or just plain thoughtless, it won't matter to you, because the gifts had nothing to do with why you were hosting your wedding. They become irrelevant.

    This exercise doesn't require any changes to the wedding celebration at all, except our own mental paradigmn about weddings, their meanings and expectations that surround them. Although, once the shift in perspective is achieved, couples may find themselves scaling down the size and opulence of their weddings, not out of financial obligation or because the elder's have told them to "keep it simple", but out of a desire to keep it simple and real for themselves and not lose sight of what is truly important to the couple in the whole affair. (Hopefully, that would be to symbolize and share their love and joy publicly)

    I have seen many young couples, both JW and non-JW, some in my own family, treat their own weddings as business opportunities. They invite every one they ever knew, regardless of how close or how much they like them, go in to debt in order to feed them and put on as lavish an entertainment show as possible, all the while calculating how much loot they are going bring in. They are invariably disappointed at the end when the amount of gifts and cash brought in do not equal the amount of food and drink and other expenses that went out.

    The problem is, the guests are often playing the same game, they are calculating the cost of the gift they have to buy, how much they will be taking in free food and drinks and they expect to come out ahead by the end of the evening also.

    If both parties, hosts and guests, are treating the whole affair as a business transaction, and both sides are expecting to come out ahead, it leads to the kinds of behaviour many of you have posted in your stories. (Guests stealing, bringing their own free booze or trying to scoop as much as possible of the leftover food and drink and decorations for themselves to increase their "haul".) In the end, both hosts and guests are left with a "bad taste" about the whole thing. Hosts are complaining that they outlayed all this expense and got crappy gifts and they can't believe how cheap and tacky their "friends" are. Guests are complaining they spent all this money and effort to find a gift, and they can't believe how cheap and tacky the wedding was,

    Bottom line: It is the couple's "special day", one they will remembe their entire lives. Their own attitude will set the tone for how they remember this day, regardless of their guests behaviour. If I were to ever get married again, I wouldn't care two cents worth about all the things brides and groom fuss over. (brides especially).

    I would want my dress to be beautiful (for me and my husband) not to impress anyone else with the designer name and cost. I would invite only those I love and care about (and family) :-), and feed them the best food and wine I could afford. I wouldn't care what I got for presents. No one could ruin the day for me because it's about celebrating the marriage, not celebrating the party. It's all good!

    Cog (Just call me a romantic, idealistic, practical, sceptic)

  • Beep,Beep
    Beep,Beep

    "The best mind set with which to enter into the festivities, IMO, is to invite the people you truly care about and want to share your joy with. Supply the food and drinks yourself according to what YOU can comfortably afford for the amount of people you have invited. Do this with an attitude of wanting to host a party and share your happiness with your friends, expecting nothing in return in the way of gifts or cash, just as you would do if you were hosting a party in your own home because you wanted to get all your friends together. "

    I wholeheartrdly agree. That's what we did. Annoyed a couple of "brothers' when they found out that there wasn't going to be any alcohol.(My father in law was very opposed to drinking, bad time in the military)

    To which we both said "Tough!"

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Witnesses are so restricted as to parties and especially large gatherings that they really turn out for weddings expecting to be entertained. The weddings of witnesses are often quite large too as they may know people from several congos and the home congo all expect to be invited. It can become quite a burden to feed and entertain all these people.

    I have seen a few weddings that were kept small with only really close family and friends invited. I think I would prefer this to a huge reception. Sorry your friends were not more generous, but dubs are known for their cheapness.

    I went to a relative's weding recently and they had a $5 dance with bride and groom going for quite some time. Some people went through the line 2 or 3x. I was beginning to wonder whether this was a wedding reception or a business operation. They said they were trying to get enough money to go to the Carribean in a few weeks. Don't know if they made it or not.

    I agree that celebrating with a few really close friends that you love dearly is better than these huge weddings. The focus needs to be on the celebration and not finances for both the wedding party and the guests.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    Gee in Australia if someone invites you to your wedding it's considered "polite" to give some reasonable gift....I'm not talking huge, just reasonable....I would rather die then go to a wedding {as I have many times since} and not bring some money or a nice present. These people chose you over someone else....I can't believe the selfishness. You can try to keep it simple, I wouldn't invite anyone but immediate family if I had a choice....but think of the pissed off friends and Cong. members. We had to invite a certain amount of people....my wife buys a present everytime we go to someones house FOR DINNER!!

  • song19
    song19
    After the wedding I found most envelopes were empty or had $100 dollars from a family of 5 working people who came??!! I ended up getting afew hundred dollars from 120 people.

    That is my wedding all over again. Hubby and I couldn't have a huge wedding, but we still spent WAY too much as it was. We felt obligated to invite ones from his congregation, being that they were friends of the family for years. Needless to say, we got CRAP! And I mean CRAP. Hardly anyone gave money, and if they did it was a $20.... and yes, I know what you mean when it's a large family and they give you a small, and I mean small gift. Many, many gifts were horribly tacky, like they had been picked up at a thrift shop or dollar store, I am not kidding. Rooster napkin rings??? come on!!!! Needless to say, we gave away most of the stuff or just tossed it. It was extremely sad and pathetic. One brother, a personal friend of mine for years actually showed up at my wedding and gave me the excuse he left my gift in the cab. But then again this is the same guy who shows up at house parties and brings “WinK” (a low quality soda) and asks “where’s the beer” (that actually happened). Needless to say we have lost touch.

    Crapy gift givers. My non-jw relatives are incredibly generous and put the JWs to shame... its embarrassing.

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    Hey! I'm appalled at the attitude here towards the Jehovah's Witnesses.

    These are God's people! They can do whatever they want and get away with it!

    If they want to steal a few bottles of wine ... that's cool. They know Jah has their backs. These are RIGHTEOUS people!

    How dare you, Sir!

    Damn apostates!

  • momzcrazy
    momzcrazy

    That's sad! At our wedding we didn't lift a finger. Everyone brought food and cared for the buffet line. No alcohol, as we were infants when we got married. And tons of presents and money. A brother even gave us a DJ for a gift, and we danced all night. My worldly family said it was the funnest wedding they had been to!

    And when we got home all the leftovers were in our fridge. And the gifts stacked nicely in the living room.

    Maybe you should have another ceremony. And no witnesses invited!

    momz

  • chicken little
    chicken little

    My daughter aged 13 at the time was asked to be bridesmaid. We had to pay for her dress and accessories ourselves, we had to pay for her flowers and then when it was the reception, she was only invited to the dancing after the dinner...around 10 pm at night. Her dad had been roped into serving at the dinner, everyone was asking where our daughter was...sitting at home waiting for a phone call to say that I could drive her out for the dance. She waited in her dress until 11pm and I finally said I thought it wasnt going to happen and maybe she should change. I was so mad and at the same time sad for my daughter....never again. They used her for the pictures and that was it. Khall weddings...dont talk about them please!

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    witness007,

    Sorry you had to endure the cheapness of dubs. Your wedding day is very special, but the dubs don't always treat it that way. I've been on the paying side of a couple of weddings and amazed at the disrespect shown. We tried to include everyone and then many could not even show enough concern to rsvp. or said they were coming and didn't show, leaving us to pay for an expensive meal that was wasted.

    By the way, congratulations and best wishes on your marriage.

  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    just a few statistics from my wedding (more than 10 years ago):

    cost per plate: $70

    envelope from JW's:$20 / per pers

    envelope from worldly: $100 per pers.including (2) $100 lord & taylor gift cert from couple

    envelope from family: $200 per pers.

    I was not trying to make $$$$$$, but don't these people know you can't even eat out at a restaurant for less than $40 here in the tri-state area?

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