by BabaYaga 57 Replies latest jw friends
I don't believe in anything beyound our life but sometimes I remember things that I can't determine if it was a dream or a real experience. It's nothing with any message to it, just being somewhere that I can see the area but can't recall why I was there or with whom. I can't remember if it was with my first wife or my current one. If the brain sees something in a dream or reality, how do you know?
Ken P.
WOW!! what a fantastic thread! I am so happy to this topic posted.
I personally feel there are several elements that keep mystics from discussing such things openly. Surely the reception is a concern, and being looked at as mentally unsound. Which is ironic, since good ol' Mr. Tom Cruise can publicly say that his knowledge in Scientology puts him as THE best person to help someone say who was just in a car accident. He can say these things and though many disagree they certainly are not ready to put him in the nut house.
BUT a mystic speaks of their experiences, even the lighter ones, and are immediately seen as unstable or very delusional, that somehow it's wishful thinking and this belief in these "experiences" is somehow a crutch for them.
I also feel that there are just somethings that mystics do not need to share, as they are in the midst of processing such things themselves.
And probably the most important reason...is simply that many stubborn humans simple aren't READY to hear what a mystic has to say. There are so many people just beginning to awaken further on this 3D plane, let alone hearing experiences of things beyond.
I always try and look at that regardless of what I believe, or what you believe, neither of it changes the actuality of things. One of us could be "right" or we both could be "wrong." But our belief or disbelief doesn't change things...so then why close our minds simply because it's something we don't understand, or something we're not as comfortable with? Seems a little silly to me.
feenx
Indigo Insight
BabaYaga, If I squeeze your brain in the right spot, you will have an out of body experience.
Catbert, it I tickle your brain in the right spot, you will taste a cheeseburger. BTS
BabaYaga, If I squeeze your brain in the right spot, you will have an out of body experience.
Indeed. Would it produce an out of body experience in which the experiencer visits places and finds out information they didn't previously know? That would be interesting. Sirona
Would it produce an out of body experience in which the experiencer visits places and finds out information they didn't previously know?
Exactly. Sirona, you have a PM.
BTS
cheesesburgers - yum
Mystics understand that we must each find our own path and so do not usually intrude upon others. However, mystics may talk about their experiences-- if you ask them.
catbert said, "BabaYaga, If I squeeze your brain in the right spot, you will have an out of body experience."
Why, Catbert! You make me blush! Goodness, if I weren't married I think I might have taken you up on that.
Satanus said, "Why is that? And, why do believer people do nothing BUT talk?"
Ah, this is a question worth meditating about.
Undecided said, "I don't believe in anything beyound our life but sometimes I remember things that I can't determine if it was a dream or a real experience."
You know something, as a teenager, I found it difficult, almost impossible to believe that my friend's Mom didn't know if she had dreamed something or if it had "really happened." Now, my dreams are so real and the conversations in them are so plausible and quotable, I am now confused as to which level of perception they occurred... "real" or "dream"?
feenx said, "WOW!! what a fantastic thread!"
Gosh, thanks, Hon! Gladja like it.
And feenx continued, "BUT a mystic speaks of their experiences, even the lighter ones, and are immediately seen as unstable or very delusional...
I also feel that there are just somethings that mystics do not need to share, as they are in the midst of processing such things themselves.
And probably the most important reason...is simply that many stubborn humans simple aren't READY to hear what a mystic has to say."
Nicely said, Feenx. Those all sound like danged fine reasons to me. Right. In other words, I think there may be a bit of fear on both sides. The non-mystic fears anything that does not fit in with his or her perception of what is real, and the mystic fears what the non-mystic will do to him or her in their fearful state! Way too many mystics have been killed, lobotomized, or incarcerated to not take this into consideration.
In spite of that, I don't think that is the main reason. I think it is because, as you said, they are still trying to process the information they have perceived, and also that the telling of it changes it somehow, it becomes a distracting rhetoric, that actually detracts from the experience.
What say ye?
BurnTheShips said, "Catbert, it I tickle your brain in the right spot, you will taste a cheeseburger."
Burn, I think I love you.
Sirona said, "Would it produce an out of body experience in which the experiencer visits places and finds out information they didn't previously know?"
Exactly. But the non-mystic would still doubt/nay say/marginalize it.
LockedChaos said, "John, You crack me up!!"
It was art, art I tell you!
Robdar said, "...mystics may talk about their experiences-- if you ask them."
They may indeed. Thank the heavens for that.
I can't thank all of you enough for your comments. It is all food for thought... even the ones that made me laugh... or blush.
"Never" and "always" make a statement suspect.
VoidEater said, ""Never" and "always" make a statement suspect."
I agree. Did I use a "never" or an "always"? There are "always" exceptions to the rule. *grin*.
I seem to curse myself with the word "never", I say "never" and it happens.
