I agree, Baba. These days, I make it a purpose in life to not say "never." If I had a dollar for everytime I said "I would never do such-and-such," then I would make Oprah look like a welfare queen!
Take one breath at a time, one step at a time, one day at a time--see where the path will take you.
Mystics don't talk about their experiences.
by BabaYaga 57 Replies latest jw friends
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almostbitten
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MsMcDucket
If the brain sees something in a dream or reality, how do you know?
Deja Vu! I had dreams like that when I was younger. I'd go over to a person house and it felt like I had been there before. Weird!
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catbert
Sirona,
Richard Feynman is a fascinating character. He was a very well respected physicist.
From his wiki page:
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According to Genius, the James Gleick biography, Feynman experimented with LSD during his professorship at Caltech.[10] Somewhat embarrassed by his actions, Feynman sidestepped the issue when dictating his anecdotes; consequently, the "Altered States" chapter in Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! describes only marijuana and ketamine experiences at John Lilly's famed sensory deprivation tanks, as a way of studying consciousness. Feynman gave up alcohol when he began to show early signs of alcoholism, as he did not want to do anything that could damage his brain.
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Richard felt his "center" shift off to the left side of his body. That is sort of an out of body experience.
I believe Richard would tell you that his experiences were all "inside of his head".
I believe you are looking to connect with something outside of yourself, or with some intelligence that is
not of this world? Or some hidden knowledge that is pre-programmed into your DNA?
If you separate an animal from its culture at birth, it will exhibit traits that are unique to its species
for the rest of its life, as if some programming was passed on to it through its DNA. People seem to be
pre-programmed to believe in Gods? Or some other "spiritual" entity?
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Sirona
I believe you are looking to connect with something outside of yourself, or with some intelligence that is
not of this world? Or some hidden knowledge that is pre-programmed into your DNA?Are you asking me or are these just statements of what you believe?
What have Salvia got to do with it?
Sirona
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AGuest
May you all have peace! May I respond? Thank you! (And for those who've already began rolling their eyes, I would ask that you hold back a minute and let me get this out... and THEN roll them. Indeed, feel free.)
I am responding because I think that some might includes people such as psychics, clairvoyants, shamas, senseis, oracles, prophets... or, perhaps, like me, just plain 'ol servants with a "gift"...in the definition. In that regard, I have to say that while it's true that not all talk about all of their experiences, not all are silent. And all DO talk about them (certainly with others like them), but perhaps not on a great scale (like TV, the Internet, etc.). Also, there is a tendency for some to be more silent than others, and for several reasons, primarily the fear of persecution, ostracism, excommunication, or being burned (at the stake), hung... Been that way for millenium.
Also (and forgive me, please, dear Hortensia, for disagreeing, but... ), masters come in many forms and many do in fact say they are masters. Have absolutely no problem with it. True, some may not shout it from the mountaintops (nor should they)... but others do, openly and willingly profess it (as they should, when the situation calls for it). Doing so... or not doing so... is not what makes one a master... or not. Having the requisite skill, designation, or authority is what makes one a "master."
The truth is that the myth that such folks DON'T talk about these has been perpetuated by those who don't WANT them to... who won't LET them. Those who say, "Who are YOU to say/confess/profess such a thing? I don't believe/want/agree with it... so YOU must not speak about it."
But there are all kinds of folks who see and hear that which is of the spirit realm... things considered "supernatural," "occult," "spiritual"; no question. The issue is not whether they do or not; the issue is BY WHAT MEANS... AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. My husband often asks me about the abilities of psychics: are they real? For those that truly ARE psychic, etc., the answer is absolutely, they are.
However, along with how such abilities are obtained (the means)... and for what purpose... is the question of from whom. For there are many "sources". If they received it from the god of this system (which many do), more often than not the ability is used for personal gain... theirs and his. If received from some other spirit (which is entirely possible), again, it would be for that spirit's purpose, whatever that may be... and perhaps some personal gain, as well. Maybe not. If it is received it from the Most Holy One of Israel (through Christ), however, then it cannot use it for personal gain... in this world... because that is not the purpose for which it is given. It would be an abuse of the gift. The ONLY thing it can be used for... is to bear witness to Christ. Why? Because that is the reason for which it is given. Otherwise, it is removed, returned to the One who granted it. Truly. Thereafter, such ones then must go to another to obtain it... and very often do. (They literally sell their spirits... to the Devil. Literally.)
I find it interesting that the question is put out there here, while many of the comments state, in essence, "Well, if they are, they'd better not respond, because if they do respond, then they're really not." That is SO WTBTS: "if they TRULY anointed, they would never say it. And they can't explain it; they just know it, and you have to accept their word for it... or you're opposing God."
I would ask, if such ones never talk about their experiences, how do you know that they are (or are not) what (apparently others) claim they are? How does anyone know? Why do we readily believe one who cannot/does not/will not explain their personal... ummmm... situation... but totally blow off those who can/will/do? Because silence is an accurate and true affirmation? Says who? Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Personally, I think that if anyone has a problem with someone of this type... or ANY type... who's "light" they believe is shining just a bit too bright... they can do one of two things: wear sunglasses... or close their eyes altogether.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SA
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MsMcDucket
What if "they" don't believe in God or the Devil? Who do "they" sell it to?
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Rabbit
Methinks "mystics" are harmless enough...unless they have charisma & aggressive leadership skills and apply for jobs like imams, popes, clerics, prophets and governing body members.
*Note: I keep my mouth shut about the 'widdle voices' bouncing around in my head, because, I value my privacy. I would just hate it, if those large crowds started following me around -- again. I hate it when that happens.
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AGuest
As far as I know, those are the only two "buying." Perhaps the Fairy King has put his bid in, though...
Peace!
SA, a slave of Christ
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Satanus
There are not two. There is only one. Ultimately, all is one.
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BabaYaga
Wow! I thanks for all the responses. I didn't expect this. I really thought it would die with the subtle irony of me saying "Discuss" after saying mystics didn't. *snicker*
almostbitten said, "I agree, Baba. These days, I make it a purpose in life to not say "never." "
Exactly... I learned this many years ago. I think my first "never" I noticed breaking was me "never dating a worldly boy". Ah, that brings back memories, hahaahaaa.
doofdaddy said, "With my personal experiences of the unconscious there has been some very "strange" experiences that I certainly told others about. Finally I heard my voice repeating these stories over and over. It sounded so hollow and self absorbed. They were just my observations and memories at that time. More important is learning from the experiences and applying knowledge in daily life. It's kinda like missing a bus and telling all around you that you missed the bus, meanwhile more busses are pulling in and out heading to your (ultimate) destination."
I love this,Doofdaddy, thank you! Yes, I have had some very strange experiences myself. And I did run right away to discuss them with a couple of people I knew would listen and not judge me! But you must admit, there are very few you would want to tell.
I also like that you said you heard your voice doing the telling over and over... the telling really does remove one from the experience, does it not? And like I said before... words just don't work. There aren't words (or measurements) for those things... yet.
Ms.McDee said, "Deja Vu! I had dreams like that when I was younger."
Indeed. And Deja Vu is strange stuff. Sometimes I think it is just the mind running ahead of itself, you getting the signals before the brain has processed it. Then again, Nova specials on the brain always freaked me out. hahaha!
catbert said, "Richard Feynman is a fascinating character."
I love Richard Feynman! I had no idea he toyed with that psychedelia, but then again, lord knows it was the decade for it.
Catbert continued, "Richard felt his "center" shift off to the left side of his body. That is sort of an out of body experience.
I believe Richard would tell you that his experiences were all "inside of his head"."
Exactly, and who is to say it was not... then again... who is to say that we do not "tap into" something beyond our physical form when we allow the left side of our brain to emerge?
More from Catbert, "I believe you are looking to connect with something outside of yourself, or with some intelligence that is
not of this world? Or some hidden knowledge that is pre-programmed into your DNA?"
I cannot speak for Sirona, but I will answer this for myself. I do not believe that what I wish to "tap into" (my term) is outside of myself. Beyond myself, in a way, yes, that is... beyond my physical form. But my belief is that the physical form, while a wonderous gift I can taste and smell and feel with, is, in some ways, unnecessary.
Sirona replied, "What have Salvia got to do with it?"
I have to say, Catbert, I wondered the same thing.
AGuest said, "if such ones never talk about their experiences, how do you know that they are (or are not) what (apparently others) claim they are? How does anyone know? Why do we readily believe one who cannot/does not/will not explain their personal... ummmm... situation... but totally blow off those who can/will/do?"
Hello, AGuest! Well, again, we are bringing up the "never" word. My title does not say "never". I hope, also that you catch and appreciate part of the irony of me saying "discuss" when my title says "Mystics don't talk about their experiences." The irony being I was hoping those who have had mystical experiences to comment! And yes, some do indeed share their experiences, but usually, as has already been said, with a very select few... or... with a complete disregard for the consequences. Which, I suppose, is the way that it should be, except that the telling takes time away from having deeper and more meaningful mystic experiences (like DoofDaddy's bus analogy!)
Rabbit said, "Methinks "mystics" are harmless enough...unless they have charisma & aggressive leadership skills and apply for jobs like imams, popes, clerics, prophets and governing body members."
Wewo, Wabbit!!! I have to think about that... I really wouldn't consider most of those people to be true mystics, but... then, I guess that is my prejudice and I have to work on my own definition of the word, what it means to me. I have the feeling that if one truly does "tap into" that which is within but beyond, one would rise above "using" such for weilding control over others. I think I believe a twisted form of the X-Files motto, "The truth is IN there..." and the real truth does not change.
AGuest said, "As far as I know, those are the only two "buying." Perhaps the Fairy King has put his bid in, though..."
Sorry, dear AGuest... I have no idea what you're talking about.
Satanus said, " There are not two. There is only one. All is one."
Satanus, I get the feeling you know what AGuest was attempting to relate. In any case, as hokey and cliche' as the "all one" sounds, I do indeed agree with you.
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Thank you all for your comments!
Much love,
Baba.