Survival of Human Consciousness Beyond Death

by Rapunzel 53 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Snoozy
    Snoozy

    Something that has bothered me since my Dad died is,he was on a monitor and after they pronounced him dead I overheard someone say something about his brainwave..I asked them why he would still have brainwave if he is dead...they gave me the answer that it was delayed readings..somehow I never could accept that.

    Deep down now I always have this thought that our brain does not stop when we die...at least for a while.

    And I don't know why this came to my mind , I guess because I was thinking the funny things our minds do that we can't explain.I was in a car wreck one time, I was on the highway and a car butted in front of me and slammed on the brakes as traffic had stopped in front of him unexpectedly. Well I saw my car aiming right for his back end and my car wouldn't stop no matter how hard I stepped on the brakes.
    Well all of a sudden everything switched over to slow motion....I was watching the whole wreck in slow motion...when I finally caught up in my thoughts that the wreck was over and things were back to normal (No more slow motion) I had to examine myself to see if I was hurt.
    I saw my hood crumble up to the car windshield and the whole front of my car was smashed up.Luckily I was not injured at all...just shaken up.
    But the thing that got me was , why the slow motion...where did that come from? It was really wierd...

    Snoozy...who wonders if that happens to all accident victims.

  • Casper
    Casper

    Snoozy...who wonders if that happens to all accident victims.

    Check out llbh's thread, called "Ever had a bad car accident ?", it's about the very thing you are asking.

    Cas

  • lilyflor
    lilyflor

    you might find this website of interest,

    www.near-death.com/evidence.html

    "scientific evidence for survival of consciousness after death"

  • S3RAPH1M
    S3RAPH1M

    It's better to focus on your current existence and make the best out of it.

  • Rapunzel
    Rapunzel

    While I'm relating strange events that happened to me while in Taiwan, I have another one. I suppose that this experience could be classified under the category of "poltergeist activity." In German, poltergeist literally mean "noisy ghost." I'm sure that most of us are familiar with the concept; and that a lot of the people here have seen this now "classic" film.

    In any case, because I taught at a university in Taiwan, I enjoyed the benefit of having my own office, or, as they used to call it, "study room." Of course, I had a personal computer in my office, a computer that allowed me to play c.d.'s and d.v.d's. I did not play music in my office very often because I found that I often needed to totally concentrate when doing research, correcting exams. However, on occasion, I would play music c,d.'s , with my door closed and at a low volume, so as to not bother my colleagues workng in other offices. My colleagues would do the same. As professionals, we all respected each other's rights. After all, these were offices, and we went to our offices primarily to work at research or class preparation. There were generally no problems.

    I will never forget one night. It was rather late - 9 or 10 p,m. I was the only one in my office. In fact, I was the only person working on the entire first floor of the building. The building in question had previously been a student dormitory - "A" dorm, it was called. As I said, my office was on the first floor. This first floor consisted simply of one 25-30 meter hallway, with offices [previously dorm rooms] on each side of the hallway.

    It was always easy to know when someone else entered that first floor. You always hear peoples' footsteps in the corridor, even if you had your door closed. The floor was of tile, and anyone's footsteps would make an echo. So, if anyone entered on to corridor, they would usually be heard before being seen. It was very easy to hear anyone's footsteps.

    As I said, I was working late one night. I was listening to some music at a very reasonable volume level [not once did I ever blare or "crank up" my music so that it would atttain an offensive or bothersome level]. Suddenly, I heard a very loud and violent pounding on my door. The pounding was so violent that my door was shaking nearly off its hinges. In other words, not only could I hear the pounding, I could the door shaking.

    I was very distressed. I expected to find a very irate, and possibly enraged person when I went to open the door.

    I now almost wish that this had been the case; I wish that I had found an extremely irate person when I opened the door. Instead, what I found was nothing. Nobody was there. The hallway was completely dark, except for the light coming from my office. I did notice that the area immediately outside my doorway was significantly colder than in my office and in other parts of the hallway [After opening my door and finding no one there, I walked to the end of the hallway and turned on the corridor lights.]

    So, again, I'm left wondering what the hell happened. If some person had been so angered by my playing music, why did they not stay around and tell me so?

    I should mention that my office was in the miidle of the corridor, just about halfway. I should think that if someone had knocked on my door, only to run away, I certainly would have heard the footsteps, but I heard no footsteps. Was it a colleague or a student playing a prank on me? Perhaps, although if that was the case, I suppose it had to have been a naughty student. And yet, given the "culture" of that school, this does not seem like something a student would do.

    And they must have been in stocking feet and had the ability to run like the wind, as they say.

    Then there was the coldness. Was it due to my fear? I don't know. I simply know that when I opened the door, no one was there. And no other colleague appeared to be in their office.There was no light coming from any other office.

    Just to make an absolutely huge rational leap [or is it a suspension of rational thought?], it still boggles my mind why a "ghost" would do something so puerile and banal. I mean, the "theory" is that these poltergeists somehow "tap into" thermal force to manifest themselves. To use an analogy, it's kind of like gasoline [petrol] for them. That's all well and good. But why would a ghost go through all that trouble just to pound on my door, scare me, and make itself a "pain in the ass." I mean, why not stay around and give me a wallop, beat "the hell" out of me?

    What shocked me most of all was the rage that "informed" the pounding on my door. This went way beyond "hard" or merely irrate knocking. It was an expression of rage. So, I have to ask, why was who/whatever it was so angry? Perhaps my music was not "demonic" enough? Was this a way of requesting something by "Marylin Manson" or "Slipknot" ?How about a song by "Korn"?

    What strikes me as odd about the whole "poltergeist" phenomenon is that they go through the trouble of manifesting themselves, and then proceed to do the most banal of things. Pound my door nearly off its hinges, and then leave it at that? Why not stick around for a chat, or a real good scare?

    I suppose that I have to assume that it was a prank. Maybe a drunk kid got it into his mind to play a joke on teacher. Maybe he was so drunk that he could not control his pounding. Because whoever [or whatever] it was was way out of control. Whoever was that angry would have stuck around, either with the intention of screaming at me or with the intention of violence.

    Yet, it comes to my mind that I should have heard something...running footsteps...anything. Very odd.

    Another question that comes to my mind is - If these poltergeists do exist, what are they doing in our world, in our realm, our "plane" of existence. I would think that theirs is a very frusrating lot or condition. They must feel trapped in a realm that is not their own, like fish out of water as it were. I'm still not totally convinced that they exist, but if they do, what are they doing in our realm? Presumably, they have their own realm..

    And as I asked above, why do they spend so much time and energy doing essentially banal and puerile things like hiding this or that object, or pounding on doors? It makes no sense. It's about as stupid as making a phone call, and hanging up when the person answers. It's all so childish, to the point of absurdity. I'll stop rambling now.

  • Casper
    Casper

    Hi Rapunzel,

    Wow, now that was eerie...

    Have to relate to that also, when first Hubby and I lived in a house in OK, right before he died, cable TV was a new thing. We could only afford basic and had one or two movie channels. Back then they seemed to run the same movie over and over.

    The one they kept showing at the time was, you guessed it... "Poltergeist". The first one. We seemed mesmerized by the movie, almost knew the script by heart. (we were not baptised, we had just studied off and on)

    That being said, and I have posted this before, when in that house everything seemed to be in slow motion at times. When my husband and I would say something, it would be like a tape that had been slowed. Walking had the feeling of wading thru water. There was also dark grained paneling on the family room walls, the pattern seemed to take on a life of it's own at times.

    Honest to Goodness, it looked like skeleton faces floating in and out.

    He was in the Air Force at the time, we talked to people there and they all said it was just stress. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. All I know is my husband seemed to change before my eyes and as I said ,couldn't look in mirrors.

    I am here, he is not. Why I don't know... since his plan was to take us all with him.

    Your experience seems unexplainable, it makes no sense that someone would do such a thing and "quietly" disappear. I have often wondered myself if "those from the other side" are going to take the time to let us know they are there.......

    "For Pete's Sake", pick up a pen and write us a message... type on a computer.... anything, besides just making noises and moving small items around.... At least then, we wouldn't have to keep trying to justify what we experience to ourselves and others.

    Love your stories.... Fascinating.

    Cas

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    The sticky point is that there are no scientific approaches to test the existance of consciousness apart from the body. Theere are no objective tools to measure it, procedures to invoke it. There are attempts to sytematically describe and categorize subjective experiences that might be similar to death, but these cannot meet the requirements of scientific inquiry - they cannot be performed as strict double-blind tests, they cannot remove subjective experience, they cannot be strictly duplicated. Even among those surveyed that we might say have actually died, we do not find an entirely consistent experience.

    "Science can explain the natural, not the supernatural"

    BTS

  • Rapunzel
    Rapunzel

    Casper - The unanticipated "resonances" or correlations between your posts and mine are truly eerie. As I like to think of myself as a fairly rational person, I have to say that your posts and my posts may be said to have entered into a sort of danse macabre. You know what I mean? It leaves me a little discomfitted, I think is the word.

    You mention seeing "Poltergeist," so without a doubt, you will remember one of the opening scenes when the box containing the body of the bird that had belonged to the little boy is unearthed by the bulldozer. Out of love and respect, the little boy had buried the bird. The bulldozer's unearthing it is meant to represent the callousness of the developers and their disregard. And of course, no one who has seen the movie can forget its central "premise," which is - if you show disrespect and scorn for the dead, there will eventually be "hell to pay."

    I mention this fact because the university at which I taught in southern Taiwan had "displaced" a graveyard. I had it on very reliable authority that at least part of the university was constructed over what once had been a graveyard. In the year 2000, prior to the "door pounding" incident that I described in my previous post, a student - a young girl - committed suicide by jumping from the ninth floor of her dormitory building. Her dorm was distinct from, yet adjacent and connected to "A"-dorm, in which my office was located.

    I remember that, after the girl's suicide, the university brought in Buddhist monks for a "cleansing ritual." I also remember that the poor girl jumped to her death at the end of the first semester. As a result, the school closed the entire ninth floor of "B"-dorm. They did not close down only that room [I can picture in my mind looking up at, because everyone on campus knew the exact room number and where it was], the university closed down the entire ninth floor for the whole second semester. It was like something out of a ghost story. Can you imagine how it looked at night? To see a huge 10-floor dormitory lit up with lights, except for floor number nine? It's hard to imagine how eerie it was. The university's "official" story was that the closing of the ninth floor had nothing to do with the suicide. The "official" story is that it was being reserve for "visiting V.I.P.'s. It's odd, then, because the school never placed one single visitor on that ninth floor.

    The university finally allowed girls [it was an all-girls dorm] to move back onto the ninth floor the following Fall semester. However, the room from which the girl jumped remained closed until the next, Spring semester. As I remember, the room would be occupied for a brief time and then, for whatever reason, become vacant once again. I remember speaking to girls who llived in the room next door. They told me that one of the girls living in the rooms had taken on the mannerisms of the deceased. It was all too weird and frightening. I would hate to be an 18-year old living in that room.

    The students told me many stories. Many believed that the entire place was under some sort of "curse." In addition to the girl's suicide, there were - I felt - a statistically higher number of students involved in fatal or near fatal accidents. But I admit that this is simply my entirely subjective opinion. In regard to the campus itself, there were many stories - stories of disembodied heads floating around; stories of a "ghost" carrying her own head under her arm; stories of students going to the campus pond for a walk and being followed back to the dorm by a ghost. Some of my students claimed to be "ghost-spotters;" they claimed the ability to see ghosts. One girl told me that she had seen a ghost on her web-cam. In regard to that "B"-dorm from which the girl jumped, that building had an elevator. Many students said that, late at night, the elevator would go to the ninth floor and then stop, as if called. It would then come straight down to the lobby without stopping [there was a L.E.D. light that showed where the elevator was and where it stopped], and when the doors opened, no one was aboard.

    Of course, I am well aware of "urban legends," and what I call the "campfire effect" or "campfire syndrome." People love to tell each other ghost stories. So, no doubt there is an "imaginative" effect at work. And yet, there definitely were strange things that occurred at that university.

    I don't know if you have heard of what Chinese call feng shui. Literally it means "wind [and] water," but in English, it is translated as geomancy. It involves the positioning of things such as buildings; rooms within buildings; and objects within rooms. And an absolutely crucial aspect involves the location and positioning of grave sites. Chinese put great stock in this idea, especially in regard to grave sites. In my opinion, a lot of geomancy is hokum. And yet, I cannot help but wonder if perhaps a mistake was made when that university was constructed. I personally find it hard to understand how the dead - who have, after all, "passed on" to another realm - could possibly be concerned with where their for earthly remains lie. What concern is it of theirs?

    But because I was a teacher at that school, I have a deep, abiding love for students, especially for those whom I knew and taught. I could tolerate the idea that someone or some thing might harm them. If there exists anything evil there, I hope that someone will confront it and send it elsewhere. Perhaps someone should call those Buddhst monks back. If there is some bad thing there, someone should use good to get rid of it. For the sake of the students. After all, some are still in their teens.

  • Casper
    Casper
    I have to say that your posts and my posts may be said to have entered into a sort of danse macabre. You know what I mean? It leaves me a little discomfitted, I think is the word.

    Yes, I agree... not completely on the same level, but touching here and there on similarities. It does make one wonder... what's out there, if anything.

    I have posted several times here, concerning that period of my life... I refer to that time as when I lived in the "Twilight Zone".


    Your explanation of the events at the University gives me "Cold Chills"... seems a lot of effort was put into keeping the 9th floor off limits, for just idle talk.

    I mention this fact because the university at which I taught in southern Taiwan had "displaced" a graveyard. I had it on very reliable authority that at least part of the university was constructed over what once had been a graveyard. In the year 2000, prior to the "door pounding" incident that I described in my previous post, a student - a young girl - committed suicide by jumping from the ninth floor of her dormitory building. Her dorm was distinct from, yet adjacent and connected to "A"-dorm, in which my office was located.

    I wondered also about the house we lived in, in OK. Maybe the whole sub-division was built on an ancient burial ground... Who knows, I didn't get to stick around long enough, nor could we get any one to take us seriously enough, to find out.

    I personally find it hard to understand how the dead - who have, after all, "passed on" to another realm - could possibly be concerned with where their for earthly remains lie. What concern is it of theirs?

    Now that, is a question that I am going to ponder on......

    Cas

  • Casper
    Casper

    Sorry, double post

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