by yknot 27 Replies latest jw friends
Randy's thread got me thinking about those considered 'alpha males'.
I have never personally met a JW male who I would consider 'alpha'....
Come to think of it I really haven't met any man that would fit that description.
Maybe male and female views differ.
What are some of the traits of JW alpha males?
How do they compare to their worldly counterparts?
Completely clueless ..... Yknot.
It is actually spelled Alfa...I believe you will find the Porsche, Corvette, or certainly Ferrari male to be far superior. All of these are quite rare in the world of the JWs, however.
Well I can't say precisely but I think it has to do with being in a pride or group type behaivior among mamals that have this type of social order humans included.
I concider myself as a rather rouge alpha male, I can get along with other alpha types as long as they respect my space. My space is my space,, I can be agressive at times but I usually do it when threaten and don't go looking for trouble as I did in my youthful days.
Hope that shed some light on the subject or helps get the ball rolling.
Frankie do you find women understanding your 'alpha male' moments or are they oblivious.
Maybe, hard to say never talked about it with them,, I suppose some are just accepting,, in other words works for them,, but as far as them understanding it as a evolutionary trait passed on as a primative survival response in a pecking order of a pack.
I suppose it all depends on the level of awareness they have.
I like the great apes way myself where the Silverback gets all the women and they are all comfortable with it. I sure that may be in the genes and predominate in some females and males of our spieces.
I like this one!
Randy
Alpha male is a term used in describing any group or society of animals that live closely together and have a dominant leader. Alpha dog is often used in both domesticated breeds of dogs and in wolf societies to express the leadership characteristics of the dog to which all other dogs defer. There are also alpha females or leading females in many pack animal societies (including human societies), with the alpha female having dominance over all females in the pack and possibly some of the lower beta males or omega males.
In human societies alpha male can mean very different things. Some use the term to mean the guy who seems most at ease with women and can essentially marry or date any woman of his choice. In this sense the alpha male is often good-looking, has a great build, and may have a relatively high socioeconomic status. These distinctions may be less noticed in human groups like high school settings. Generally the alpha male (or a group of alpha males) are the cutest guys, usually muscle-bound, sometimes the “jocks,” while beta males may be less assured around females and may participate in less “male” activities.
The guys who join math teams or play chess at lunch are usually the beta males and may be thought less attractive by girls. It should be noted that “nerds” (and here we use the term fondly and affectionately), are becoming increasingly popular. As long-term mates or “boyfriends,” they stereotypically on average tend to be nicer and more respectful toward girls. This article also does not imply that all attractive males are necessarily alpha. Alpha males are more about exhibiting traits that are essentially masculine or “macho.” Many attractive males are beta to the core when it comes to relating with people.
In work settings, the alpha male may be a natural leader, exuding confidence. But he also may be contentious, demanding and difficult to work with. This is thought to be in part due to the alpha male attempting to retain his stature, however unconsciously, as alpha. Being the top salesperson, the quickest worker, the most aggressive boss may contribute to remaining at the top, and the alpha male has a tendency to respond aggressively to any attempts by others to outshine him.
This is true in non-human settings too. The alpha male is continually being tested to see if he remains dominant and may need to stage pitched fights with upcoming males in a group to remain “top dog.” In the human setting, the alpha male usually doesn’t fight physically, but instead acts with language, brusque or dismissive behavior, or with other tactics to remain at the top.
Though leaders in a company are excellent to have, alpha male characteristics in the workplace may not always be seen as positive. Aggression and disregard for others are not necessarily inspiring. Some people better lead by being “beta” and having good communication skills, sensitivity toward others, and downplaying their strengths so they can showcase the strengths of others.
In adult social settings, alpha males again may be judged not so much by aggression, but by their ability to get the most attractive women as mates. This is the primary reason for alpha behavior in other animals.
The alpha male in adult society is likely to be confident, attractive, and wealthy. Questions remain as to whether the alpha male can retain mates, since relationships often require ability to compromise, to discuss feelings and to be sensitive. Some alpha males have these characteristics typically thought of as beta, but many of them lack such traits. You can certainly point to prominent alpha males in our society who seem to have poor track records with women, either involving themselves in a succession of failed relationships or marrying one woman after another, with no marriage lasting for very long.
You wont see an alpha male JW because the JW religion emasculates you as a man and attempts to ween out alpha traits.
Think about it your encouraged to always be subserviant to others, take the lesser role. The JW religion kill's ambition in men. The only thing you are encourage is to reach out to positions in the BORG. Here is where the JW double teach comes in.
You are encouraged to reach out, but what happens to the brother who says hey I want to be an elder or servant? Here comes the body of elders to knock the brother down a peg or two to teach him humility. You cant win.
I remember people constantly told me, 'oh if you go to bethel that will teach you humility.' The whole structure of bethel is to tear you down and build you back up into a mush man.
YKNOT- Interesting, funny thread ! I'll show you the comparison of JW alpha males versus " worldly " alpha males !
JW Alpha Males - " I get more field service time than you ! "
" You're not an elder yet !? You are JUST a ministerial servant ? Wuss. "
" I get to give # 4 talks - you are still giving Bible Readings ?! "
" So you are a ministerial servant too ? Bet you don't give traveling public talks like me ! "
" My wife is so submissive - she lays all my clothes out for meetings ! Does your wife still make more money than you?"
Worldly Alpha Males- " Bet I get laid more than you ! "
" I drive my golf balls 300 yards. You only do 220 ? "
" Guy looked at me funny - gave him a black eye ! "
" Chicks just dig me - cause' I'm hot ! "
" So how's your portfolio doing ? Or do you have one ? "
Spiritual Alpha males as opposed to fleshly alpha males
Flipper got it.
you must be a man's man. :-))
R
Alphalfa mail? Cool stuff, heheh. Seriously, though, there were one or two jws that i consider as alpha males.
J hoover is THE alpha male. He doesn't like alpha like traits among his sheeps. Any alphaness can very easily get a guy cut off, so to speak;) Considering how the great hoover hates alpha malenss, it's not surprising that there are so few in the wt hives.
S
