Tyrone Hmm, well I'm not sure what to prove. And I am not surprised given what you were talking about ( Oh really, I didn't know you were an expert) If you are, then disprove it. I didn't claim to be one. I wouldn't even mind being wrong, that's how you learn. So teach me. I am just taking data like everyone else and making a best guess, like the weatherman does every day. That's not guessing. That's forecasting. Guess is what lay people do when they stick their head out the window. Forecasting is what meteorologists do with lots of science. They can still be wrong... but a daily forecast is not as accurate or reliable as a clear multi-decennial trend. Sorry my freind, but lets be honest. If there's a chance of a rainy day, there's a bit of guessing going on. Guessing based on data. No different, than the farmers almanac, or instincts based on what you have before you. A good farmers weather prediction can be just as reliable. Just by looking at a clouds behaviour or a smell in the wind. It is all data, being processed. I have seen farmers do this, and for the most part I would say they are in tune just as the ancient Mayans had to be for their crops. Processional cycles can be easily measured astronomically. Which is a science. Astrlogy Which is not. Sure but don't discount yet, the knowledge of the ancients when it came to weather. They even had observatories. They paid very close attention to the stars and a lot of meaning is impacted in it. Even the Early Summerians knew about pluto and spoke of Venus as being greenish. Knowledge from these ancient astronomers was lost due to the invasion of the Spaniards. By all means conflate neurology (science) with phrenology (rubbish); it's the same as you are doing here. By all means prove the scientific accuracy of astrology. As I mentioned earlier even the Mayans calculated the end of the next processional cycle to be Dec. 23 2012. The end of the world. I don't know. No, you don't. Because you're using stone-age astrological mumbo-jumbo. Do you know the statistical likelihood of a prediction about the end of the world coming true? Based on all the previous ones? Don't be so arrogant unless you understand the way the Myans understood the stars and their calendar. It's pretty common knowledge, that the Myans predicted the end of the world for 2012. As the planetary allignment nears. The obvious effects of gravitational pull from the other planets will start to take effect,a few years beforehand, leading to great disasters even before the full cycle ends. All of this can be calculated down to fine degrees of accuracy. And no one can show any indication that anything will happen based on facts. This is new age bollocks version of 1975. Take a pill man, it's not the end of the world! I like new age thinking but I borrow from many different areas. I'm not cast in stone you know. It's someting to think about. Tell what you think it doesn't matter much, but it might enlarge my scope anyhow. Never know. There is not much planetary history going past 6000 years. Human history you mean. There's lots of planetary history which is why we can be sure the wild speculation you're dabbling in is just that. Wild speculation. Ya, human I guess, but planetary too, if you think of all the lost knowlege and starting over again. I think there's a huge peice of our history missing. OOPARTS just don't add up in archeology. Specualtion Ya sure. I like to speculate. I wouldn't call myself religious in any way though. The only thing we have is the tale of Atlantis, The MYTH of Atlantis. Sure, but Troy was a myth too until Einrich Scheiman unearthed it. Who would have thought you could find Troy from the writinings of Homer. and we do know the ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Errr, 12,000, but whatever... ( Well, you know how funny weather can be) LOL Seriously though, This isn't a bloody bible prophecy. We're dealing with weather here. I'm just giving you a round figure. I hate math you know. The arctic is now melting. Could this be the begining of the pole shift? No, the Pole shift is when the EU open boarders agreements results in lots of Poles moving to where they get better paid work. ( Sorry, being funny is not allowed, it just kills the expert judisciousness, of the whole thing.) We can't take you seriously anymore.) Recently, the Tsunami in Indonesia, that took tens of thosands of lives was triggered, by an underwater quake that sent a fault line 800miles across the ocean floor and some 40 ft. high in places. Thats major geological change if you ask me. No, that's ongoing geological change and NOTHING to do with the precession of the equinoxes. Now now. You don't really know that. Just because JW's make fools of themselves by linking happen-chance to Biblical prophecy doesn;t mean it's a good idea to imitate them; they linked earth quakes to their predictions; didn't you learn? Where science is concerned, I will listen more closely to a theory. Unfortunately I don't much care for numbers. You can't know everything, so I assess info, and go by my gut until something better comes along. Don't bother with HAARP and the nut job web sites about Tesla. It's not your fault you don't have the scientific background to see it for what it is. I don't get why you can't find the reliable and obviously more credible refutations of the real rubbish as easily as you can find the rubbish... Show me man. Your right, I'm not scientific, but I'm not stupid either. I know what you mean though. If you've got the big picture, it's harder to pass on to someone who doesn't because of all the info invoved. That's why I don't get too deep here. Some folks like to google everytime they make a response. I pull what I know from what I've read and just write it down. I'm just passing on, what I think I know, and my assessment thusfar. Always open to new and reasonable possibilities though. | 
