So are my JW friends really my friends - or not?

by BonaFide 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee
    JW's are members foremost and friends second

    Right. I believe they are sincere about their love for you when you are in the fold. Once they suspect that you are leaving, they feel that you are rejecting them, too. I don't believe it is possible to leave JWs and maintain JW friendships as well. Like eating your cake and having it, too.

    So is that real love, real friendship? Yes it is, but it is conditional, much as love and friendship usually are. Unconditional love is rare - usually only between parent-child or within some longterm, good marriages. Most relationships have some conditions and minimal expectations which, if not met can erode the bonds of love.

  • nomoreguilt
    nomoreguilt

    As I have said before, my older son is beginning to totally ingore my now that they heard about avoiding weak or inactive family members at the DC. I have called him twice on his cell and he ALWAYS answers it, NOT now however. It is very said indeed and I feel for you my friend. Fortunately, I have NO jw friends now as I have totally separated myself rom them over the years.

    Chin up friend! You have us!!

    NMG

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Now they are acting strange towards me. The thing is, they feel that they are doing whats right, that they want the best for me. They want me to have everlasting life.

    Sorry, but now you are viewed as "dangerous" and to be avoided as one who might "spoil useful habits."

    This, however, can be enjoyed as something new in your life. Ever considered yourself "dangerous" before?

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    They don't care about your everlasting life. They only care about pure cleanliness in "friends" they make at the hall.

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    As soon as you stop participating like a zealot in JW activities they will drop you as a friend. You're a JW nobody now...

    But an ex-JW-missionary/exCO/exelder maybe that's someone, lol but:

    .... now you will be appreciated by true friends who don't give a sh!t what title you are, whther you're gay, fornicatin, or a virgin...

    WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS! WE DONT CARE IF YOU GO TO MEETINGS OR SLEEP WITH YOUR GF... WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    BonaFide:

    Ok, I understand that at this point they are not real friends. But I WAS THE SAME WAY

    I gotta go with Mr Flipper on this one... and what I am writing is probably going to sound harsh: they are your friends....as long as you remain in the fold cult..and YOU WEREN'T A PROPER FRIEND EITHER when you were a MTS rock star. You were just as conditional a friend as these so-called friends are of you. Karma sucks. Now you are getting what you used to dish out. Having said that BF.....

    you know what?. I was a crappy a$$ friend too......I didnt mean to be self-righteous..but by definition, being a JW elder...I was..... I was a crappy friend often to those who needed me the most. I may have ignored the rules sometimes and talked to DF'd people (esp when I was an elder), and I thought I genuinely cared...and maybe I did.....but guess what? It was all in the context of "getting them back." I didn't intend for it to be that way. When push came to shove...if it had been me being their friend or me staying a JW, they would have lost every time. I cant go back and change that. I can now only continue away from the Borg and toward being a decent human being.

    Even now, I still look over my shoulders when having lunch with a DF person. Not because of what I think of what "they" will do. It is force of habit. Cult training still holding tendrils in my mind (and yeah, read that book Flipper recommended). Ultiimately, I only care because of how it may affect my mom if I were DF.... that is the exception isnt it?.... she will always be my mom... different with the few friends I have....most have already scattered like cockroaches when the lights go on... and the others are casting a wary eye.... believe me...they think they are being my friend too.... and they willl disappear the moment I am DF....

    It will be harder for you...having been a WT Rock Star..... your fall from grace will be further than my fall was. We share MTS in common...you were an early grad when it still meant something and MTS was all shiny and new. You were assigned overseas..... So you will be dealt with much harsher than the average R&F. No one gives a $hit now about MTS grads these days......and most of the time in the US..resent the hell out of us showing up on their KH doorsteps. I speak from experience.

    so yeah... I hope you have a plan of action to establish a new social life. I would try college. A real education, not that MTS blather.... Post JW....Its been very hard for me. I am just now... nearly a year after my last meeting.... that I am starting to find a social life outside of the Borg...... BonaFide... If you dont have my number, Mr Flipper has it. or email me.....

    with all sincerity .... I hope you escape the Borg soon... but you will do so with few or no friends from that life....

    Snakes ()

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others

    The sad thing to this situation is the talk that should be confidential with in the body of elders,

    that's what I really disliked about the "friends" quick to talk, they can ruin a reputation in 10 seconds flat.

    Draw close to your brother now seek out new friends this looks like you will be shunned/marked by the so called

    friends even if the investigation shows up nothing.

    Best wishes
    hope4others

  • reniaa
    reniaa

    Bonafide I have no idea if you are a real person or not your posts are wide and varied, on one hand you talk of being investigated on the other having responsibilities for helping sisters with blood issues, and now on this one you ask if JW's are really your friends.

    If you are genuine you have been on this site long enough to know it is an anti-witness one! you will hear only one side of the story, the negative one. If you wish to leave witnesses then you will get all your negative thoughts on them confirmed on here but if you want a more balanced viewpoint seek out pro-witness forums as well, I have and found it beneficial to have both sides of the coin.

    I read a lot on here that would have me doubting witnesses sincerity look at these expressions 'shunned - lovebombed' it's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, If i was a witness who ignores someone on here i'm a shunner but if i'm nice to them i'm lovebombing them lol I couldn't win.

  • Shawn10538
    Shawn10538

    Renaia,
    In all sincerity, is there anything that the Watchtower organization could do that you wouldn't rush to defend? Seriously. Starting with mass muder of every single Witness, down to small personal offences, where do you draw the line and say, "Now THAT was just TOO bad. Now they have really gone and done it!"

    I really wonder exactly what would do the job for you. What is SO bad that not even the staunchest JW apologist could defend it?

    Lord knows that JWs jump on Catholics every time they sneeze. Yet the GB can do no wrong.

    Shawn

  • llbh
    llbh

    To some extent it is a matter of luck, when i left the the wts was fortunate enough to have one person whose friendship i valued remain my frieind, the rest just melted away, but are still civilised to me . Now that i maybe dfed that looks like changing. fortunately the afore metioned friend is no longer a JW

    If they are really your friends they will remain so. That being said the wts is hard to overcome as you will know

    Regards David

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