Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site - Part 2

by hawkaw 122 Replies latest jw friends

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  JosephAlward

  How do we know that you aren't working for the wt? They have a lot of something you can use - money. As an eitheist, you have standards unique to yourself and your interests. You are likely at the scenter of your values.

  You registered on oct 4th and started posting threads on oct 10. Wasn't that when the scandal broke? You made a bunch of anti bible posts to gain legitimacy among us. Now you could be fulfilling the main part of your mission - exonerate the wt.

  SS hoping it's not true

  It wouldn't matter if I represented the Watchtower's interests, or not, would it? What matters is the argument, not the man presenting it.

  Now, I know you were just trying to amuse the forum, Saint. Nobody on this forum believes that I thought you or anyone else on this forum would be so naive as to take my word for any claim I made just because I earlier trashed the Watchtower (calling them "the most evil, but legal, organization on earth) and have been ridiculing inerrantists since 1997 on my web site.

  Say it ain't so, Saint. You know it cannot be true, right?

  For the record, it is not true.

  I won't have time to respond to other challenges made since my last substantive post until later tonight, and perhaps not until tomorrow. I still plan to show why I don't think the Watchtower articles were written "to disseminate UN propaganda," as Randall Waters and others on this forum have repeatedly claimed.

  Does the forum now agree that there is no evidence that the Watchtower representatives never signed a form stating that they accepted the aims and goals of the United Nations? Is the word of the Isolda Oka at the NGO office accepted? She stated to me this morning that there is nothing in the Watchtower file indicating that they ever signed such a statement, and that as far as she and Paul Hoeffel know, there was no such form in 1991. Furthermore, if--and I say if--the Watchtower was aware that the UN expected--hoped, really--that the organizations accepted the aims and goals of the UN as their own, then this would only show that the Watchtower was taking advantage of the purple beast. Some will say that the Watchtower JOINED forces with the UN, but that's a gross exaggeration; all they did--as far as the current evidence I'm aware of shows--is USE the UN to defeat it. That's clear in the articles they wrote, the ones Watters referred to, and the ones I will be describing later.

  I have to go now.

  Joseph F. Alward
  "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

  * http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html
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  OUTLAW

  I think we are gonna have a BBQ!(lol)...OUTLAW
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  detective

  "all they did--as far as the current evidence I'm aware of shows--is USE the UN to defeat it."

  And defeat it they did! Could we not hear the mournful cry of "uncle!" coming from the Scarlet-coloured beast? How pathetic watching the disgusting thing beg for mercy from the ever powerful watchtower!
  It's not as if the Watchtower got caught with it's pants down and ran sissy-style into hiding. No, in a strange, calculated attack the Watchtower decisively defeated the beast leaving only a few hapless churchgoers to stand as the most hated thing on the planet.
  Uh, yeah, that's what happened.

  No offense, Alward, but the sorry little loophole you've tried to offer the Tower is a piss-poor excuse. Ignorance of the law...blah blah blah. You've not yet explained how it is that they condemn all other churches for the exact same thing they did. They seemed to recognize just how wrong it was for other groups to affiliate in such a manner. Now they have selective amnesia?
  Let's see: they met applied for and accepted affiliated status. Expectations were clearly outlined in a number of places. They didn't read the criteria? So we should assume what? That they are illiterate or just plain stupid? And when they met the criteria by writing articles that supported the UN, they weren't actually supporting the UN?
  I see, it's all part of their diabolical plan to off the beast. Very tricky! Sadly, not a particularly good plan as the UN seems to still be actively functioning or maybe you hadn't noticed? Maybe they just aren't very good warriors in Jah's army?
  You should consider trying to sell them your excuse. It might be the best one yet. It certainly beats the library card fiasco! It doesn't hold any water, mind you, but the JWs love a good technicality even when it defies logic. Good work. Would you care to write off the blood issue and that nasty pedophilia issue while you're at it?
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  outnfree

  Saint Satan,
  The same thought occurred to me re: the time Joseph Alward began posting to this forum and I even contemplated sending the real JF Alward an e-mail asking if he knew there was an impersonator posting here. LOL But he swears to his true identity, so...

  Now, seeing the tenor of his obtuse replies to the many posts which continue to engage him on this thread, I hold to my original assessment. Realizing that I had never yet, in over 1,000 posts, called anybody on j-w.com any kind of scatalogical name, I pronounce him STILL a jackass!

  outnfree

  When the truth is found to be lies
  and all the joy within you dies ... -- Darby Slick, Somebody to Love
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  bluesapphire

  Why do you all keep wasting your time with this obvious troll? Even his statement about it not mattering whether he supports the Watchtower and what matters is the argument shows he is a WT supporter who is only here to keep lurkers confused. His arguments sound just like WTS arguments.

  The bottom line is this, whether they SIGNED a form that said they support the UN or not is irrelevant. They became involved in a partnership with the beast PERIOD! The same type of relationship they condemn other religions for.

  The reason why is irrelevant. Other religions have reasons too.

  They lied to the beast to destroy the beast. This has got to be the most hilarious one of all. Is the beast destroyed? Guess Jehovah's Spirit was too weak.

  Let me anticipate the next excuse: "Some" thought they could speed up the process of having the beast destroy religion by getting into the nucleus of the beast. But now "new light" has shown them how presumptuous they were. As Jehovah's faithful organization, we would never want to give the impression that we supported the UN in any way. Bla bla bla....

  Notice the SOME part.

  Anyways, enough with this. Any lurker who is reading needs to skip all the hooplah and go from point A to point B to point C to find out the truth.
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  biblexaminer

  Tomorrow, I am going to call Mr. Paul Hoffel again. I am going to thank him for the letter he issued after our conversation last we spoke, and then I am going to tell him this, that the Watchtower has publically made accusation against the UN.

  In the letter dated October 22, 2001 from Mr. Gillies of the British branch, Mr. Gillies accuses the UN of being so lax in their security measures, that they allowed a multi-national organization (WTS) to become a registered NGO WITHOUT the proper forms being filled out. No signatures. No checks and balances. Nothing.

  This should interest President George Bush's anti-terrorist task force seing that many NGOs have already been named by said force as terrorist groups.

  The Watchtower also accused the UN of being so incompetent as to have failed to inform the WTS of it's rules, not just once in 1991, but in every year that followed for ten years.

  Also in the WTS's public statement, the WTS accused the UN of misrepresenting the functions of the UN so that the WTS had incorrectly thought it had to become an NGO to use the library.

  Finally, the WTS accused the UN of secretly changing it's rules without informing member NGOs in breach of their own policy regarding transparency.

  Now, Mr. Hoffel, I give you this opportunity to respond to the Watchtower's accusations and please if you will, IN WRITING either acknowledge the accusations as true, or deny it. Any denial by your office (I will say) will be moot without the proper evidence to substantiate your response.
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  one

  What year did F. Franz die?

  who identified the beast?

  what was last time wt say the UN IS the besat.? last picture too(curious)(who has a cd?
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  What year WT 'joined' the UN?

  What year stopped taking so strong against other religions and goverments?

  What year the "generation" teaching was changed

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  btw both WT and UN are reacting somewhat strange...
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  one

  JOE,

  what is that "defeating" from inside?

  how does it fit the wt (freddy) prophecy?

  give us the whole picture

  also answer blueshpire above regarding the importance of the SIGNATURE you talk so much about.

  when you have no answers you take a break and then come back with more...
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  mommy

  I hate to even let this thread get any longer, it is obvious that Joe is...well nevermind. Just in here for a FYI, in the current application,(can be viewed on Kent's site)on the very first page, there is a place for a signature. It is a line for the person who completed the application and a place for the date. This is immediatly on top before the actual application is started.
  wendy

  When I leave, you will know I have been here
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  one

  From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

  = "kingdong news" number xxx

  some were printed around 1973, international DIVINE VICTORY assemblies

  calling everyone whore, beast, liar

  what? wt ran out water.
  wt said hail = water = hard truth