OMG! a horrible lie in the July WT with a jesus pic....

by oompa 54 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Sarah Smiles

  I bet they had Jesus all cleaned up and pretty looking with long hair and wavy. Maybe he was not so pretty to look upon!

  Yeah the 72 or 73 people who translated the new testament claimed that the Hebrew Mesortic, scribes, error. They added Jesus into the old testament text because the Jewish people took him out. So you get a lot of nuts out there thinking a lot of OT scriptures are about Jesus. I think the 72 people went to extremes and really did added some thoughts.

  See it has nothing to do with just JWs but through out time all christian and Jewish scholars.

  So you see a lot people say that is Jesus in the OT and you think well maybe but maybe not!

  It is the samething! Jehovah in the NT verses Jesus in the OT!

  Maybe Jesus fullfilled some Old Testament scripture but but that does not mean those scriptures were about Jesus.
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  BabaYaga

  Oompa, my Darlin', this is a great thread. I admit I kinda side with Outlaw that I didn't exactly NEED to KNOW what state of affairs you were in while reading this article!
  
  Blues Brother, thank you for posting the image of this... this is just incredible.
  
  Thanks, all.
  Love,
  Baba.
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  sacolton

  Of course men read on the toilet. What else is there to do except stare at the flowery wallpaper? We get our best ideas while reading on the throne while waiting for that perfect crimp at the end.
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  blondie

  To be fair about that article, the WTS says that Jesus used the "divine name" in prayer. That scan seems to indicate that God's name in that time was not Jehovah but that all that can be determined is the tetragrammaton represented God's name and that the pronunciation did not survive to this time.

  I always did wonder why there were no places in the NWT where Jesus used addressed God by name in prayer like jws are trained to do but rather addressed him as father. After all, what child addresses their parent by first name, it is considered disrespectful. Certainly addressing a parent by father or mother would indicate a close and loving relationship.

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  Jesus Christ himself taught his followers to pray: "Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified." (Matthew 6:9)
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  Blueblades

  Oompa! Isn't the endearing term, ABBA FATHER, used by those in a very close relationship with THE FATHER, mentioned in Romans by Paul. This would contradict what the society is teaching about what Jesus taught about OUR FATHER!

  Blueblades
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  IronClaw

  OMPA, If I'm not mistaken ( I don't know what scripture it is ) anyway the one that says "All those calling on the name of Jehovah will be saved". I think the context here was talking about Jesus. I may be wrong but if I'm not then inserting Jehovah here would be a huge mistake. Maybe some of our NT scholars can elaborate on this scripture?

  The Claw
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  LovesDubs

  Jesus was Jewish. The Jews never said or wrote the divine name. So why would the Son of God be an exception? In his model prayer he said to "pray like this...Our Father...." wouldnt that have been a GREAT opportunity for the Divine One to say "Jehovah God we....."

  Its right back to them stretching their beliefs to fit the Bible like putting a condom on a bowling ball.
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  oompa

  Blondie:
  

  To be fair about that article, the WTS says that Jesus used the "divine name" in prayer. That scan seems to indicate that God's name in that time was not Jehovah but that all that can be determined is the tetragrammaton represented God's name and that the pronunciation did not survive to this time.

  I always did wonder why there were no places in the NWT where Jesus used addressed God by name in prayer like jws are trained to do but rather addressed him as father. After all, what child addresses their parent by first name, it is considered disrespectful. Certainly addressing a parent by father or mother would indicate a close and loving relationship.

  Blondie...i have not said anything unfair...at least i don't think so. I don't care if the divine name is HOPSCOTCH....there is no record of Jesus using the divne name...much less in prayer...and as you know....the tetragrammanton does not appeary in ANY ancient Greek manuscript of the NT....not any in the entire world! I showed my elder friend the article last night, mainly the jesus pic and heading....and he swallowed his tounge!....i told him that what made me EXPLODE was that the one thing I had come to terms with early on is how it did make perfect sense to me that Jesus would never use his dads name...but ESPECIALLY NOT in a heartfelt prayer or conversation!!!.....and now...not only have WT changed the bible and added the name Jehovah 237 to the NT...but NOW they are PUTTING WORDS IN JEUSUS MOUTH!!!!!.....i swear he was shaken by it......Note:

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  it-2p.5Jehovah***
  

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  did the superstition take hold? Many reference works have suggested that the name ceased to be used by about 300 B.C.E. Evidence for this date supposedly was found in the absence of the Tetragrammaton (or a transliteration of it) in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, begun about 280 B.C.E.
  

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  the Christian Greek Scriptures. In view of this evidence it seems most unusual to find that the extant manuscript copies of the original text of the Christian Greek Scriptures do not contain the divine name in its full form.

  and this one i really love is right in the back of their own lying bible...notice the extreme difference in these two parts of the appendix.....

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  Rbi8p.15621B Scribal Changes Involving the Divine Name***

  From time immemorial the Jewish canons decreed that the incommunicable name is to be pronounced Adonai as if it were written ???? [’Adho·nai´] instead of ???? [YHWH]. Nothing was, therefore, more natural for the copyists than to substitute the expression which exhibited the pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton which they were forbiden to pronounce."

  but then a few pages over:

  ***Rbi8p.15641D The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures***
  

  they would come across the divine name. In the synagogue at Nazareth, when Jesus rose and accepted the book of Isaiah and read 61:1, 2 where the Tetragrammaton occurs twice, he pronounced the divine name. (loudly sneeze out the name..BULLSHIT..now)...

  ***Rbi8p.15641D The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures***

  As a follower of Christ, Peter used God’s name, Jehovah. (another sneeze please)

  see...if the name was not used for hundreds of years...and it was really taboo for jews to say it....then why the hey do they think jesus or the jews would ever read or say the name in public???....................one more thing in the next post..............oompa

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  oompa

  This one really takes the cake of using history to prove a point when it actually REFUTES what WT is trying to teach.

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  Rbi8p.15641D The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures***
  

  There is evidence that Jesus’ disciples used the Tetragrammaton in their writings. In his work Devirisinlustribus [ConcerningIllustriousMen], chapter III, Jerome, in the fourth century, wrote the following: "Matthew, who is also Levi, and who from a publican came to be an apostle, first of all composed a Gospel of Christ in Judaea in the Hebrew language and characters for the benefit of those of the circumcision who had believed. Who translated it after that in Greek is not sufficiently ascertained. Moreover, the Hebrew itself is preserved to this day in the library at Caesarea, which the martyr Pamphilus so diligently collected. I also was allowed by the Nazarenes who use this volume in the Syrian city of Beroea to copy it." (Translation from the Latin text edited by E. C. Richardson and published in the series "Texte und Untersuchungen zur Geschichte der altchristlichen Literatur," Vol. 14, Leipzig, 1896, pp. 8, 9.)

  Matthew made more than a hundred quotations from the inspired Hebrew Scriptures. Where these quotations included the divine name he would have been obliged faithfully to include the Tetragrammaton in his Hebrew Gospel account. When the Gospel of Matthew was translated into Greek, the Tetragrammaton was left untranslated within the Greek text according to the practice of that time.

  HAHAHA...this last sentence is just priceless. Why? Because Jerome was a famous historian and TRANSLATER!....he wrote the Latin vulgate and actually wrote a good bit about the divine name....ok...so he hikes the library a Caesarea (think Indiana Jones) to see the possibly original writing of Mathew in Hebrew script....if he had frikkin found the divine name in this document it would have been a HUGE DISCOVERY!!!....he would have written like crazy about it....it would have been the holy grail of literature!....but Jerome does not write a single thing about finding the divine name during this event....and in fact.....wrote the latin vulgate and of course did not include or add the divine name....for one reason only......the divine name was not there....not in greek manuscripts, and not in Mathews Hebrew writing.......it's just not there even though WT just said that " When the Gospel of Matthew was translated into Greek, the Tetragrammaton was left untranslated within the Greek text according to the practice of that time."

  So when WT says: "There is evidence that Jesus’ disciples used the Tetragrammaton in their writings." I ask them to put up or shut up!....well nicer than that but i did write them about it.......and of course......they say there is evidence....but just can't provide any!!!........these bastards have been lying about this in their own bible for 58 years now....1950 is when the wonderful NWT was published..........i have not met a dub or an elder who knows about this yet......................oompa
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  blondie

  Probably "unfair" was not clear. I was just looking at exactly what was the caption under the picture which said "divine name" and the discussion on the thread that discussed the use of "Jehovah." I was just trying to make it clear that the WTS was not saying that Jesus used the word "Jehovah."

  If Jesus did use God's name, it would have been the form that was known then assuming he would have gone against current custom not to say or print it. I also reemphasized that Jesus more likely addressed God as father in prayer not by name as children do out of respect and showed that nowhere in the model prayer is any form of the name of the God of the bible used.