Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection ? Not. Check this Out !

by flipper 83 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  flipper

  TIJMKO- Most of the time in a report of child abuse their has been sufficient evidence , or a preponderance of evidence to merit it being reported to authorities. Then it's in the hands of the police and the courts to decide by going through the evidence, witnesses , etc. Children are usually very honest and unlike adults do NOT have a hidden agenda for accusing someone falsely for child abuse. Think about this : If there was not an inkling of evidence at all - then there would probably be nobody reporting any suspected child abuse .

  In answer to your question : No- I would not report a 16 yr.old boy having sex with a 15 yr.old girl to authorities because it is NOT child abuse. It is 2 horny teenagers doing what comes naturally with raging hormones. It's not a crime.

  I read some of your older posts in regards to your feeling guilty about having DFed people when you were an elder on hypothetical evidence in regards to an instance of a young man staying at night with a lady - but he denied anything happened. Just curious - Have you known of child abusers personally who were falsely accused ? Or do you feel perhaps badly for some in how you saw this handled in the past ? I'm just trying to understand your position and motives here
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  tijkmo

  In answer to your question : No- I would not report a 16 yr.old boy having sex with a 15 yr.old girl to authorities because it is NOT child abuse. It is 2 horny teenagers doing what comes naturally with raging hormones. It's not a crime.

  yes it is

  Just curious - Have you known of child abusers personally who were falsely accused ?

  yes.... i was

  it wasn't true..and not surprisingly there was no evidence..it was a 14 year old who made it up.

  and if it had been you and several other people on this board then i would have been reported to the authorities despite it being untrue. no matter what the elders did to me (and some of them believed the stories) i am glad that they weren't you. peace indeed
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  flipper

  TIJKMO- I am so sorry that you were falsely accused in regards to this 14 year old you are relating about. I do hope something was done to clear your name and bring her to justice and discipline was handed out for her " false allegations " towards you. And I hope you have got counseling, or been able to move on in your life. Although your situation is the exception to the rule ( most child abuse allegations are accurate ) it must have been hell for you to rebuild your reputation. I wish you success and good luck in that direction.

  Also - I still think a 16 yr.old boy having sex with a 15 yr.old girl is not child abuse. It is a lot different from a 30 to 50 yr.old man having sex with a 15 yr.old. If you don't see the difference in that - then I don't know what to tell you
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  tijkmo

  TIJKMO- I am so sorry that you were falsely accused in regards to this 14 year old you are relating about. I do hope something was done to clear your name and bring her to justice and discipline was handed out for her " false allegations " towards you. And I hope you have got counseling, or been able to move on in your life. Although your situation is the exception to the rule ( most child abuse allegations are accurate ) it must have been hell for you to rebuild your reputation. I wish you success and good luck in that direction.

  no nothing was done nor has it since..at the time i didn't know..and when i did i no longer cared about anything. but yeah moved on.

  Also - I still think a 16 yr.old boy having sex with a 15 yr.old girl is not child abuse. It is a lot different from a 30 to 50 yr.old man having sex with a 15 yr.old. If you don't see the difference in that - then I don't know what to tell you. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  of course i see the difference...my point was that the watchtower org does also..which is why they specify that even tho someone is technically and legally guilty there is a difference and it shouldn't for all time be held against someone.

  in some aspects of the child abuse issue they are wrong..in this they are not.

  and that would be my overall overall point. they are stumbling in the dark on this subject in much the same way as the world in general has stumbled to the position that it has settled on at the moment with regard to the heinous crimes committed against defenceless children-a position that is far from satisfactory since it never can be..... the greater guilt the wt org bear is the continual claim that god is in any way directing them.
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  flipper

  TIMJKO- I agree the WT societies way of handling the child abuse issue is totally wrong and unacceptable
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  flipper

  BTTT, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  mP

  one must remember that pedophilia is not a crime, nowhere does god, jesus or anyone say it is wrong. given this astounding fact, we must conclude that god is fine with it and thus by associatioh thw jws. please dont tell me about porneia. porniea if one looks up a dictionsry means illegal sex such as prostituion. pedophilia was not illegal in the roman empire, lookup pedastry which was common back then. when one accepts that the jws are following the bible on this matter, one then understands theirnpolicy.
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  just Ron

  " Our procedures have been refined over time. Over the years, as we have noted areas where our policies could be strengthened , we have followed through. We are continuing to refine them. We do not believe that our system is perfect.No human organization is perfect. But we do believe that we have a strong, Bible-based policy on child abuse. Anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation. We certainly would not knowingly allow him to serve elsewhere , either because he moved or through a transfer. "

  This is the last paragraph. I put in bold this part to bring out no human organization is perfect. They are directed buy holy spirit so that statement is not an excuse.

  Ron
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  scooterspank
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  flipper

  MP- WT society may claim pedophilia is not a crime, however in OUR time- modern days- child abuse IS a crime , and that's what matters , not what some idiots who run the WT society say.

  JUST RON- Very true. If the WT society cLAIMS to be run by holy spirit, why do their policies on child abuse fall short ? It should not IF they were run by " holy spirit ". But obviously there IS no " holy spirit " and the organization is run by criminals.

  SCOOTERSPANK- Your post came up blank, please post again . Thanks