The fact of the matter is, that the majority of persons who are disfellowshipped eventually are welcomed back into the family of God.
do you have a statistic on this, or is it just your own b.s.? i highly doubt that the majority of disfellowshipped ones are welcomed back into the congregation, and i would be willing to bet that a large portion of reinstated ones are actually disfellowshipped again.
So, disfellowshipping can have a positive effect provided that the individual accepts the discipline of Jehovah. So it is not something evil, but rather a strong measure taken to not only protect the congregation from corruption, but to save the individual.
you claim to merely reason with scripture, not parroting the wt....but this quote is a classic example of your parroting. id imagine these exact words probably appear somewhere in a wt article......where is the scriptural reasoning behind these statements? lol, you are a joke.
Apostates are clearly not in agreement then, because the intent of the original poster was to prove that disfellowshipping is not Scriptural.
boy, you are reaching today....since when have "apostates" EVER claimed to be "in agreement"? what difference does it make? some "apostates" are christians, some are atheists, etc., OF COURSE we wont ALL be in agreement. jws are not all in agreement for that matter. take yourself for example, how many times have you EXPRESSLY shown your viewpoint to be different from the societys? i cant count them all. another paper thin argument from the king of paper thin arguments. your blubber just gets thicker with time.
do you have a statistic on this, or is it just your own b.s.? i highly doubt that the majority of disfellowshipped ones are welcomed back into the congregation, and i would be willing to bet that a large portion of reinstated ones are actually disfellowshipped again.
What YK said is true, at least in my congregation. I don't know about worldwide statistics, but I will use statistics in my present congregation. One of our elders was disfellowshipped at one time. He was out for 3 years. After coming back he worked on his spiritually and slowly made progress. He is an excellent brother and elder. Another example is our district overseer, he was disfellowshipped when he was younger and also progressed spiritually. We currently have two sisters that are disfellowshipped and they are both attending meetings. In the last 10 years there was only one person that was disfellowshipped, came back, then disfellowshipped again. She is now back again and doing very well.
In the cases I have seen the disfellowshipped ones were welcomed back into the family of God.
Hmmm…Yeah, I guess any Bible besides the NWT is a bad one in your eyes huh? Again what example does Jesus leave for us? That even when someone did something as bad as what Judas did to Jesus, Jesus still called him “friend.” Did Jesus shun him? No. After I read the passage I get the feeling that Jesus still wanted to save him. When someone is df’d from the Hall, that person hasn’t done a single thing against most people in the congregation personally, yet all will treat him as if he were dead. The example that this reminds me of is that of the religious leaders in Jesus time who shunned people on a regular bases.
thanks for your input, but personal experience really doesnt count on this one. for example, it has been my personal experience that the vast majority of disfellowshipped ones do not return, and i could name at 10+ of these cases from my old congregation. my experience could be the exception though, which is why i asked for hard stats.
That explains why I didn't know it, and why it isn't in the official lyric search database. It's from "Love and Theft," a great album, but one I haven't listened to enough times yet to be thoroughly familiar with the lyrics, and which hasn't yet been catalogued in the Sony website's database.
Tom "The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
it has been my personal experience that the vast majority of disfellowshipped ones do not return, and i could name at 10+ of these cases from my old congregation. my experience could be the exception though, which is why i asked for hard stats.
My experience parallels yours, though, for whatever it's worth. In my 30 years as a JW I heard many, many disfellowshippings announced, but reinstatements were a rare beast, indeed, the number of which I can recall could probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Tom "The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan
Hmmm…Yeah, I guess any Bible besides the NWT is a bad one in your eyes huh?
Not at all. I use different translations. But, I pointed out that the Greek Interlinear, which is based upon the Westcott and Hort text, used different words for friend and fellow. / You Know
