by Awakened at Gilead 129 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
One would think that an all knowing, super intelligent, omnipresent, omnscient diety would have at least as much physical evidence to prove his existence as our planets do. 'Course, to you the planets are probably proof that your god exists. Using one's intellect, one can fit things seen into supporting ones faith. Jws are very good at this. Can you step around your intellect and see your god directly?
S
Damocles,
For the record, I haven't found you to be offensive.
I wasn't comparing your God experience with mine. My illustration about computing was for the purpose of showing how any person seeking God may eventually find him. I'm sorry I failed to make that clear enough.
Perhaps you can illustrate for me how it is that a person can be "receptive to the holy spirit" and still not know with certainty that the spirit's Giver really exists.
God reveals himself and gives his spirit to those whom he chooses. It isn't for me to determine your sincerity, and I have no explanation of why he reveals himself to me and many others but not to you.
Your daughter is simply repeating the Watchtower's party line. That's all she knows. I was a JW for 50 years and knew very few among them who would or even could talk of a personal relationship with God. JWs look to the Watchtower Society as their mother, and for the most part their spiritual relationship is with the organization, not with God. They fear far more what the organization thinks of them than they contemplate what God thinks.
You wrote:
... it is common for us each to take the same facts and come to very, very different conclusions.
I'm sorry if I haven't made it clear enough, but my relationship with God is an experiential reality, not merely a state of mind.
satanus,
'Course, to you the planets are probably proof that your god exists. Using one's intellect, one can fit things seen into supporting ones faith. Jws are very good at this. Can you step around your intellect and see your god directly?
Still mocking and scoffing, eh?
Appeal to Authority Fallacy
leavingwt,
I hope you are open enough to see the contradiction and irony in your last entry. You call it an "Appeal to Authority Fallacy," yet you made no comment of your own. Instead, you 'appealed to the authority' of Wikipedia and those whom it quotes.
Perhaps you think the dictionary is a useless authority. Obviously that's what you mean. Other than that, I'm finding it hard to know what other authorities you think I meant in the last response that I gave to you.
AG: Robert: I don't say we can disprove god, wich is why I am open. But we definitely cannot prove him.
i have not read the thread......but i love nature.........and have not given up on a creator yet.......and see no need to.......oomps.........love your lady by the way........really....you guys make a great couple......
We could quote 100 people on the Bible, and we could quote 100 people on Atheism. Each of the people we quote could be learned and respected. Would providing these quotes be an appeal to authority?
-LWT
'Still mocking and scoffing, eh?'
No. Are you??????
S
Ps, hint, it's a challenge.
You have no idea how many planets there are yet to be discovered, but as our knowledge and insights improve you may get to know in due time
I fail to see what this has to do with belief in god.
In any event, all scripture is inspired of god. He sure didn't do a very good job keeping the record. It seems as though an intelligent creator that could create so much could keep things together.
leavingwt,
I think it's obvious I wasn't appealing to authority. Shamus trashed the Bible, and I supplied the thoughts of well-informed persons who have read the Bible and expressed themselves differently.
If you find me using terms as shamus did, such as brainless, senseless, mythological mimicry and the worst writing ever in describing atheists and atheism, yes, by all means, provide your list of 100 atheists who disagree with my highly negative language.
