No Gentials in New System? Does the WT say that?

by asilentone 55 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Yes, little doggies, you will have genitals. But you won't be allowed to use them.

    All breeding will be done by cloning and careful gene selection for the best possible humans.

    This is why it is so important to find out and record your DNA now, so they can decide if you fit one aspect of the criteria to move on to the next level in the new system.

    There is much fruit picking to be done and you will not have time for such idle pasttimes as breeding and romantic interludes.

    There will probably be some sort of soma to correct that barbaric licentious nature!

    In the meantime, the progeny bred will be less likely to be diseased or deformed. This is why you won't need such an extensive health care system in the future. Jehovah is tired of your complaints!

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Hmm, makes me prefer to die at Armageddon so I won't have to live in the New Dark Ages, never having experienced the things that make human life worth living. Plus, having everything I do being something I am told to. This makes surviving Armageddon more of a punishment than a reward--maybe I should have done apostasy right from the outset.

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    Did you mean perhaps gentiles, or genitals?

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    W67 10/15, 639:

    How, then, will those raised to earthly life be like the angels? The angels in heaven do not marry and procreate, producing angelic offspring. Yet they can enjoy satisfying association with myriads of other spirit creatures serving God. Similarly, those who in this present wicked system of things prove themselves worthy of gaining a resurrection in the new order or the coming system of things will not marry and produce offspring. (2 Cor. 4:4; Mark 10:30) Immediately upon resurrection they become “God’s children by being children of the resurrection.” Their heavenly “Father,” the one giving them life by resurrecting them, has determined that they will not marry, though they will be in position to receive many other blessings at his hand, not the least of which will be the privilege of close and warm association with other earthly servants of God.

    W61 11/15, 703:

    So for dead ones with spiritual, heavenly hopes and for dead ones with earthly Paradisaic hopes the rule enunciated by Jesus Christ stands unaltered: “In the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.” (Matt. 22:30) At the flood of Noah’s day angels were punished for entering into marriage, which in that instance was with the daughters of men because they were so lovely-looking. (Gen. 6:1-4) In the resurrection of the “other sheep” on earth, no former married person will have occasion to envy another former married person, as would be the case if this latter one got back his former marriage mate who had remained single, whereas the envious marriage mate does not get back his former partner because this partner remarried and survived Armageddon with his new marriage mate. What the resurrection promises men is, not remarriage, but reliving, and this under God’s kingdom by Christ. Is that not something satisfying? Has anyone a right to demand more through Christ’s sacrifice? Christ died for you, not to marry, but to live! Let us not be swayed or overcome by sentimentalism or emotionalism.

    W59 7/1, 415:

    The statement referred to, which speaks of the prospects that await dedicated, baptized and faithful witnesses of Jehovah who have the hope for life on earth, means that they will get the blessings that the Scriptures say they are entitled to. There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that they will marry and participate in fulfilling the procreation mandate. Jesus said, as recorded at Luke 20:35: “Those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.” This applies also to those who died before Christ appeared in the presence of God to present the value of his human sacrifice in behalf of his faithful followers here on earth; so it includes those faithful ones from Abel to John the Baptist.
    Consequently a woman who has been made a widow by the death of her husband now before Armageddon is not obligated to wait for his resurrection from the dead after Armageddon. She is free to remarry whom she wants, only in the Lord, and to bring forth children by her new husband. Death dissolves the marriage tie, as Romans 7:1-3 shows.

  • asilentone
    asilentone

    John Doe, sorry for the mis-spelling, it is genitals, you know the private parts.

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    LOL about the misspelling. I at first thought you were trying to say Gentiles as well.

    When a JW, I always had heard about no marriage in the "new system," but I never heard about anybody losing their genitals. Probably was a man thang to worry about, lol. It doesn't make sense anyway, because if God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, He did not let the eunichs in the temple in the old days because of ahhh hmmm, you know. So I would think that those who become Christians during the Tribulation will certainly be keeping their genitals.

    Besides, if those who enter the millenium don't do any procreating, where is that huge massive crowd "as the sands of the sea" going to come from at the end of the 1,000 years for Satan's "Gog" Last Ditch Attempt?

    Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. - Rev. 20:7-9

    I'm a bit rusty but my guess is WT says that those nations at the four corners/as the sand of the sea will come from those who are RESURRECTED DURING the 1,000 years. But that is a FALSEHOOD (more below). NO ONE will be resurrected DURING the 1,000 years. People are either resurrected BEFORE the TRIBULATION -- or AT THE END of the 1,000 years (more below), but NOT DURING. Nobody. Nadda. Zilch.

    And WT possibly knows this. Here "might be" their reasoning:

    1. Tell all JWs don't plan on procreating or being married during the 1,000 years (= Brainwashing for the Global Elite's Depopulation Agenda) as you'll all be as angels.

    2. Tell all JWs, "Oh no worries, all those resurrected people are the one who will repopulate the earth..."

    3. Result:

    • Nobody survives Armageddom but JWs (according to WT Plan, but not according to scripture).
    • Nobody will be resurrected during the 1,000 years (a reality, according to scripture, though WT may keep saying it will happen).
    • Nobody will be born by way of the JWs (according to their plan) because JW's will be brainwashed that they are "as angels" (possibly by way of hallucinatory drugs? Drugs will be a big deal for the Antichrist during the Trib and his occult initiation, etc.)

    Depopulation Agenda Complete (as far as WT was obliged to help make it so).

    -----------------------------------

    More explanation re: the real way the resurrections will occur, timeline, etc., and who gets to procreate in the Millenium:

    A. As you know, Watchtower has set up a false two-class system not found in the New Testament, ie, their WT ELITE (supposedly "Anointed") c lass, and the JW ("Other Sheep") PEON class .

    As everyone here knows, this is totally WRONG. They apply all the "good stuff" 'to themselves, and leave the rest for the Peons (such as, Jesus was their Mediator and not ours; the Holy Spirit is for them and not us; they get to go to heaven but we don't; etc. etc.) ALL of that is way off base, and all it does it gives them that "power" over the peons to control their minds and decide EVERYTHING for the JW peons, such as this subject about procreation during the millineum.

    B. The ONLY "TWO classes" of people from eternity past through Now and Into the Tribulation are:

    • BELIEVERS (Jews and Gentiles) in Christ as their Savior (a/k/a the RIGHTEOUS); and
    • UNBELIEVERS(Jews and Gentiles) in Christ as their Savior (a/k/a the UNRIGHTEOUS).
    • PERIOD. Over and Out.
    • So look at all those scriptures about being angels vs. being procreators from this viewpoint and start fresh w/o WT input.

    C. The Resurrection of the Dead takes place in STAGES -- OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, the same way as a HARVEST CYCLE in the Old Testament. The Wave Offering/First Fruits, the MAIN Harvest, and the Gleanings of the Four Corners of the Field, etc.

    Paul wrote: "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming, Then cometh the end" (1 Cor. 15:23-24). By "end" Paul is referring to the TRIBULATION, which in and of itself is a seven-year "END TIME" period. Daniel called it the LATTER Days, as in the Last of the Last Days.

    D. Jesus said there would be TWO TYPES of people/resurrections, mentioned in "B" above:

    • aResurrection of the RIGHTEOUS (those made into right standing before God by their faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior);
    • And the UNRIGHTEOUS (those who don't bother to take advantage of that opp). - John 5:28,29.
    • There are NO OTHER groups to fit oneself in.


    E. Then John gives us the "WHEN" for those two main groups' resurrections in Revelation 20, that there would be:

    • A FIRST resurrection and happy and holy are those who are part of it as the second death has no authority over them; BUT that
    • the REST OF THE DEAD do not come to life until the 1,000 years are ENDED.

    F. So here's the layout or who gets to "keep procreating" and who will be "as angels" (non-procreating):

    THE RIGHTEOUS - a huge massive group of them, just like the size of a main crop harvest, will be resurrected when Jesus comes for those of his Body of Believers in Him. This includes ALL THOSE who have ever "DIED IN CHRIST" up to the Day He comes for them/us, as well as all those who are ALIVE IN CHRIST at that time that he arrives. It is THIS GROUP that will be instantly changed "in the twinkling of an eye" from "corruptible bodies" to "incorruptible ones," from "mortality" to "immortality." It is also this SAME huge group whose bodies will then "be as angels"and who will not be "procreating," ever again, etc. as previously quoted by others. This same "RIGHTEOUS" group/harvest will also include any who BECOME BELIEVERS AFTER Jesus has come for his "Body" at the "catching away/snatching up" of the saints (Greek: Harpazo). During the immediately ensuing seven-year Tribulation, many others will become believers and who are then martyred. All of these people are part of the MAIN very LARGE Harvest, and all will become "as angels."

    ANYONE here who has any faith left in God and Christ (and quit worrying about what WT says about this or that, since they are all wrong anyway), CAN BE PART OF THIS HEAVENLY Harvest. The heavenly hope is held out to ALL BELIEVERS who put faith in the shed blood of Christ for their/our sins. This is NOT held out to only a "SMALL numbered elite class" as WT has whittled it down.

    The next resurrection, as stated further above...

    THE UNRIGHTEOUS: These people will remain in Hades (the "holding cell") from the time of their death, whenever it was throughout the centuries past, present,etc., and will remain there for the entire 1,000 years after the Tribulation, per Rev. 20:5. There will be NO RESURRECTIONS DURING the Millenium, contrary to what WT likes to make people think. Either people get saved NOW before Jesus comes for his saints and they become as an angel for all eternity; or they can try their "luck" during the Tribulation, and hope to God they become a believer DURING the Trib. Because...

    • When Jesus comes with his saints for his "REVELATION" (at the end of the seven year Tribulation), all unbelievers will be killed and prevented from going into the millennium (Matt. 13:36- 43, 45- 50; 25:31- 46).
    • And anybody who DIES WITHOUT CHRIST, past, present, or from now to the Revelation of Jesus Christ (when "ALL EYES will see Him"), they will not be raised until the 1,000 years are ended, and at that time they will be resurrected for the sole purpose of standing before the White Throne Judgment to be given their eternal sentence (see Rev. chapter 20).
    "THE PROCREATORS"will be:

    • Those who BECOME BELIEVERS DURING the Tribulation -- and survive it. (Those who become believers DURING, and die for whatever reason, or are killed/martyred, their reward goes right with them and they go straight to heaven and become "as angels" as well).
    • That includes Gentiles and Jews: About 2/5's of Gentiles will survive, and 1/3 of Jews will survive. The Jews who survive are the TRUE REMNANT the Bible speaks of (Zech 13:9), and NOT THE WT's "Elite Anointed Class."
    • That's all there is that will be around to be procreating. And with that not very large amount of people for "starters," there would have to be a lot of procreating to refill the earth. Then again, a thousand years is a LONG LONG TIME. If everybody has even 5 kids every 10 years, do the math, x 1000 years.

    So have no fear, your "family jewels" are "safe" for now, but everyone will have to make a decision re: their future before it is all over.

    As for me and my middle-aged body, I'll take an immortal, incorruptible heavenly body and home anyday! It's called THE BLESSED HOPE, and to COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS! So be comforted! Grab hold of the Gospel of the GRACE of God while it is freely available. A GIFT is FREE. It doesn't cost YOU anything. Jesus has already PAID IN FULL for ALL your sins PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE. No "works based endeavors" on anyone's part is required (besides ASKING!). His sacrifice was SUFFICIENT. That's the message He wants you to know.

    /ag

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    Just another absolutely ridiculous and outrageous teaching of the Jehovah's Witness movement that somehow goes unchallenged by the mind numbed masses of witnesses who have been so thoroughly brainwashed to accept everything the "faithful and discreet slave class" teaches.

    The resurrected ones - not being able to marry? Loved ones being resurrected? Who cares?

    A husband of 30 years dies and then is resurrected in the new system. Is he really re-united with his wife? Would they become neighbors maybe? Live in the same village? 30 years of marriage together in the old world would fade in to obscurity when compared with the hundreds and thousands of years living seperately, with one of them living as some kind of zombie eunech, playing with Lions and Tigers and waving to the old wife every morning.

    Can you say CREE-PEEEE!

    The Oracle

  • shopaholic
    shopaholic

    They state that all who are resurrected will be "as angels are".

    Yes, they for sure said this because all of my friends started getting married after this was covered in a Watchtower lesson. I had several friends propose to me so that just in case we died we both would have had some nookie. I took a pass since I had just started college. It was the same for older adults, everyone just started getting married like crazy after that. Folks would just show up at the hall one day and be married. It was insane.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    Don't feel bad, Sir82. ANYONE can make a mistake. I made one, once.

    Don't you mean you thought you made a mistake once, but you were mistaken?

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    So if there are no genitals in the new system how will this be accomplished?

    All off in one go, or will they shrink away gradually over time?

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