To Larc: ON ECONOMIC STUFF

by You Know 64 Replies latest jw friends

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  4horsemen

  My post got cut off.

  In short the tendencies of the world are for the most part found in WBTS. Explaining away the inconsistencies is no different than Greenspan opining on why Larouche prophecies dont have a snowball's chance.

  Everyone gets what they want. Those in religion or those who buy shares in Enron. Each of us though have a responsibility to make certain they are not buying in to a house of cards. The kicker is it's ALL a house of cards.

  I'll trade you 3 eggs and a head of lettuce for that Watchtower, You Know. Since my $$$ are worthless. I'll need the kindling since power companies are going to be bust. Good thing I own a farm. I guess.

  Caveat Emptor
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  You Know

  First Larc:

  Briefly, for now. No one is saying that there have not been innovations. I freely admitted that there had been and in fact pointed to the space program as one of the greatest generators of innovation. But, citing percent of increase of industrial production on a year-to-year basis is very misleading for this reason. The population also increases. As an example: the population of the United States increased by roughly 13% during the decade of the 90's. Now, you cite steel production as increasing by some 15% over 25 years. Do the math. Over that period steel production would not come close to keeping pace with population growth. You cite apparel production as increasing 55% over 25 years. Apparently that's including the illegal sweatshops and all, but whatever. That averages about 2% increase per year, which is barely above the population increase. And yet, in order to actually turn a profit, the economy must increase the productive power of its labor at a greater rate than the population in order to achieve a real profit. / You Know
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  larc

  You Know,

  I think you misread the numbers. The unit of measure was output per worker, which is way up. This has nothing to do with either the total number of workers or the total output. Certainly the supply of products has more than kept up with the population increases as indicated by all the new products that are in production and found in many if not most homes. No one is standing in line or waiting for a product, except for Harley's which are a manufacturers dream. They can't build them fast enough. Everything else is in great supply.
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  You Know

  Multi-Horsemen:

  The Watchtower is not really the issue. Sure, they have announced Jehovah's Kingdom and all that but they are just an instrument and tool not the ultimate end result of the work of God. Jehovah is much, much, bigger than the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York. In the end it all comes down to faith. Not faith in men, or their Bible publishing corporations, but faith in the goodness and saving power of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. That's really the paradox apostates fail to appreciate. Yes, the WT has failed in many respects, but they have also produced a beautiful people who have Jehovah's holy spirit coursing among them. If you have lost sight of that then that's a real shame. Not all people are really atuned to the spirit.

  But, as regards the Watchtower, I fully expect that when this system blows, probably triggered by some joker setting off a back-pack nuke or something, that the whole system will just collapse. It appears that it's on the edge as it stands. So it won't take much to panic the herd. The money system will be there one day and vaporized the next. People are going to be terrified out of their minds. I doubt if the Watchtower will have much to say during the phase of the tribulation. That's becuase Jehovah will at some point require that his true servants demonstrate their faith under a dark period of chaos and confusion without the guidance of the Watchtower that they have become accustomed to relying on so heavily. But, I think the WT has succeeded in preparing us to face that sort of do-or-die challenge that will determine outr judgment, provided that we have followed the program to the extent of actually developing a strong personal relationship with God. There is a ton of prophecy on this I think that hasn't really been appreciated yet. Jehovah has kept it in reserve so that only those who pass the initial test will be in a position to accept the new light when he reveals it. The organization definitely needs to be refined and purged and it appears that a huge global calamity is going to do the trick, so-to-speak. When the dust clears we will see what's left. / You Know
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  joelbear

  You Know says:

  Jehovah will at some point require that his true servants demonstrate their faith under a dark period of chaos and confusion

  Joelbear says:

  Yup, that pretty much sums up why I have no faith in this version of God.
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  larc

  You Know,

  Crises I have seen in my lifetime

  The Tire Industry: This happened when a French company, Michelon, came out with the radial tire. The US tire industry nearly died but recovered. Of course, Firestone-Bridgestone is in trouble now.

  The near collapse of NCR corp. in the 1970's because they did not switch to the electronic era from the electromechanical era on a timely basis. They survived.

  The Auto Industry: Under heavy pressure from the Jananese, though now our quality equals theirs. Of course, Damler Chrysler and Ford have new problems.

  IBM: In the late 1980's, the stock plummeted from 180 per share to 40 per share. Well, they are in relatively good shape today.

  Harley Davidson: Purchased by AMC and was ruined. Bought back by the executives and the two families and now is a premier company.

  Winnebego Corp.: nearly collapsed after a major fire destroyed much of their facility and they had no insurance. They came back to become a well known company. I know one of the son's of the founder, by the way.

  Lesson: Not everything going down hill is bound for destruction. Some systems revive themselves. Some organizations fit a cyclic model, not a negative linear model.
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  larc

  You Know,

  You brought up the role of the federal government its role in technological advancement. Now, certainly, the Federal Government's role in creating the space program, had a major impact on inovation. However, there are several avenues of invention where the Federal Government had no role whatsoever.

  Thomas Edison: He had more patents than anyone, about 1,300 for an average of one every two weeks during his working career. No government funding involved.

  The Wright Brothers: invented the airplane with no government funding. The government backed Langley in 1902 to the tune of a quarter of a million dollars, which would be way up in the millions in todays's dollars. Langley was a total failure.

  The Cash Resister: invented by a bar owner over a hundred and twenty years ago. John Patterson bought the rights and founded NCR corp. At one time they sold 95% of all cash resisters in the world market.

  John Deere: invented a better plow, and went on to develope a major manufacturer of farm equipement.

  Carrier: Invented Air Conditioning near the turn of the century and created a more comfortable world, but not until after the 1970's.

  Henry Ford: Invented the modern assembly line, which revolutionized manufacturing. Paid his workers twice the going rate.

  Charles Goodyear: Discovered vulcanization of rubber on his kitchen stove.

  Ely Witney: Known for the Cotton Gin, invented the concept of interchangable parts, sold it to the governement and helped win the Revolutionary War with his quantum leap in productivity.

  These are just a few off the top of my head.
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  larc

  You Know,

  I forgot one other major inventor, Charles Franklin Kettering. He took the crank off the cash resister by installing a small motor. Later, he took the crank off of the car, and developed the modern ignition system. When I was in the employ of NCR in 1986, they had no government contracts, so their R%D was company sponsored not governnment sponsored. During WWII, NCR played a major role in the war effort with their contribution to the desifering (sp?) of coded messages. Other than that, they were entirely a civilian business.
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  refiners fire

  Hey U-NO. Did you know that on November 17th,in his address to the german civil rights national congress, Uncle Lyndon said that the S11 bombing of the World Trade Centre was carried out by a faction within the US security forces? Do you believe that is so? Im curious to know.
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