Kundalini "the 'original' coiled serpent"...anyone here familiar with it?

by lurk3r 65 Replies latest jw friends

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    oops don't know what happened with that post above

    Quietly - " spiritual orgasm". Do you think these come in multiples? :p Couldn't resist.

    lol

    But seriously, are you equating Kundalini with a "spiritual orgasm" of sorts? Or any spiritual experience for that matter? Help me along here. ty

    I think from what you guys have been saying kundalini sounds more like a birthing experience which can also be seen as a spiritual experience i guess. And in fact your question below makes sense in that context too.

    edit: Along with this conversation, has anyone ever given any thought, or perhaps drawn a conclusion on what the "highs and lows" in life are all about?

  • poppers
    poppers

    Y ou might want to read Philip St. Romain's book Kundalini Energy and Christian Spirituality. Another fascinating read is Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man, by Gopi Krishna.

    Kundalini in its dormant state is located at the bottom of the spine, but when activated (through any number of ways, but very often by meditation or practicing hatha yoga) it "arises" out of its slumber and moves up the spine. Once awakened it begins to work its way through the "subtle body" (the energetic body), and as it moves through specific chakras there can be incredible inner experiences of light, sound, and sensation as those chakras become purified. I've had some of these inner experiences myself, but not for many years now.

  • Dagney
    Dagney

    It's pretty powerful stuff.

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    I have enjoyed reading the comments. On reflection I could explain my experience as getting in touch with the deep subconscious but being in a conscious state.

    This has left me with an acute ability to read people's inner truth (despite what they tell me). The staff at work are amazed at how I can immediately see the issues a client has when they come for assessment. This is not a conscious thing nor is it just experience. Very difficult to define but the evidence is my track record of writing assessments and being proven 100% accurate.

    This is a pain in the ass when I meet a potential partner! Lol

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    Fascinating stuff. I've read a couple of books on meditation. One of them went into some detail on the possible side effects (Kundalini?) of the practice but noted that the mental discipline cultivated by meditation techniques should not be sidetracked by these effects. The author related some amazing mental abilities developed by advanced practitioners such as the ability to maintain a lucid state while dreaming and use that conscious state to continue meditation. The author also related the varying religious traditions both eastern and western which have used meditation techniques; example: Sufi dancing. I wish I still had that book with me. I've practiced meditation, but unfortunately get out of the habit after a while. I've never experienced any unusual side effects.

    Dave

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Uhm, I've been having that most of my life. Usually happened when I was deeply moved by a piece of music that I loved - definitely NOT Jehovah's Witness songs! Felt good; hasn't happened for a while but I can prompt it to happen by entering a certain mental state, playing certain music, and dancing. (Took up belly dancing after leaving JWs and it happened frequently during those dances...)

    Eventually I ended up living a couple of doors down from an artist who's exhibited at the Denver Art Museum a couple of times; he looked at my work and called me an artist too (I always thought of myself as a craftsperson), then he asked me about the "Divine Shiver"... It's the same thing as the energy surge of the Kundalini, basically... He's a devout Catholic, so I guess he wouldn't feel too comfortable viewing it as a manifestation of Hindu God/Goddess energy. I recently read a book titled "Daughters of the Goddess" by Linda Johnsen, which touches on this phenomenon... Here's a quote from that book:

    “How long does it take to realize the Goddess? To become one with her?” I ask Swami Veda Bharati. “The blink of an eye”, he smiles. “All it requires is a glance from the Mother of the Universe.” And then, because he loves to tell stories, Swami Veda speaks of the Gods. Brahma, the creator of our particular universe (there are, of course, many others) lives for 311,040,000,000,000 of our earth years. Everything that we experience as real is merely Brahma’s dream. But Brahma himself was born from the dream of Vishnu, an infinitely vaster intelligence. A thousand times the length of Brahma’s life is just a few hours to Vishnu who himself lives some 671,846,400,000,000,000,000,000 of our years, according to the reckoning of the yogis. Brahma is born and dies, is reborn and dies again, over and over in the boundlessness of Vishnu’s dream, creating galaxies, withdrawing them, creating galaxies, withdrawing them. In every instant untold millions of other Brahmas are also taking birth and dying in Vishnu’s being.

    But all of Vishnu’s existence is barely a breath in the lifespan of Mahadeva, “the Great God”; Shiva himself. Millions and billions of Vishnus are taking birth at every moment in the infinity of Shiva’s meditation. And the yoginis, who should know, say Shiva himself lives for 87,071,293,440,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of our years. At the end of that eternity, even Shiva must pass away.

    “And 1,000 of Shiva’s lifespans,” Swami Veda closes his eyes, “is one glance from the Mother of the Universe.”

    She is Maha Kali, the Devourer, eternity itself. But because she is beyond time she can manifest in time. Because she is limitless, she can limit herself. “The supremely auspicious One, my Mother, is ever pure and transparent. She is wider than space itself and tinier than an atom. She is omniscient, yet she knows nothing; she does everything, yet she never acts; she holds everyone, yet no one holds her. All forms exist in her, but she is formless. Everything belongs to her, but she claims nothing. Through her everything that can be known is known, and yet she cannot be known. She is bliss, yet she herself is beyond bliss. Everything, even the gods, vanish into her; she alone never dies. She has no father or mother, yet innumerable are her daughters, like me,” the seeress Hemalekha taught her husband.

    The matrix of being is without limit yet She measures the measureless. That is why the sages call her Maya, “the measurer”. She gives us the idea that the stars can be counted and that our own lives have a beginning and an end. This is so that we can grasp what she herself cannot; finitude.

    Watching Sri Ma sit before her linga, reciting mantras ancient before the God of my own culture was born, and then merging into perfect stillness, I realize that the Goddess dwells beyond the outer reaches of thought, yet because she is the source of sound, those who listen to silence can hear her speak. The voice of the Goddess resounds “like thunder in the sky of the mind” according to the Tantra:

    “I am the intelligence from which the universe emanates and in which it inheres, like a reflection in a mirror. The ignorant believe I am merely inert matter, but the wise experience me as the pure Self within themselves. They glimpse me when their minds become as still and clear as an ocean without waves..."

    There's a brief discussion of the various types of yoga in this book, also, and what they are actually supposed to represent:

    Ma Yoga Shakti was given the title Maha Mandaleshvar; she is the only woman of whom I am aware who has been granted this honorific in recent times. It literally means “Lord of the Great Mandala” but its connotations are very complex. A common practice of Indian yogis and yoginis is to worship a mandala or yantra, a geometric design whose every line, angle, circle, and petal represents a particular Goddess. Each Goddess in turn is the symbol of a specific divine power or quality such as creation or destruction, heat or cold, love or wisdom, hatred or jealousy. (Yes, negative qualities and emotions are also seen as part of the divine play in the Indian tradition.) Through intense concentration on the Goddesses of the mandala, and repetition of the mantras associated with them, the worshipper unites with and finally masters the powers they represent. Therefore to call a woman a mandaleshwar is a poetic way to acknowledge that she has mastered the mandala of her own mind and body, that she has mastered herself.

    Ma Yoga Shakti is an advanced yogini. In the West we tend to think a yogini is a woman who has become particularly adept at hatha postures. This is not at all the meaning of the term in India . “Hatha yoga is only a preliminary practice to keep the body healthy. There are four steps of yoga. First is karma yoga, second is bhakti yoga, third is raja yoga, fourth is jnana yoga. They are not different paths; they are one and the same. First you solve your daily problems, karma yoga. Be efficient, expert in your daily work. Bhakti means you purify your emotions, your heart, your mind. Then you are a good person in the family and in the nation also. When you love god[dess], you love his/her creation also. Creation is a manifestation of God[dess]’s glory.”

    In raja yoga, one sits for meditation. Ma typically sits for five hours. Ultimately the meditative state should persist whether one is sitting erect with eyes closed or working busily in the world. “If mind is always in control, every second, that is called sahaja samadhi.”

    Jnana yoga is often translated as the yoga of knowledge. Ma quickly clarifies: “Liberation is not intellectual. Intellectually you can’t understand it. The intellect is helper and intellect is barrier also. One is bound by nothing else but his own mind...” “The first mantra and message and wisdom teaching of the Vedas is ‘Everything here is permeated by divine energy. God[dess] is everywhere in all forms. Nothing is bereft of divine energy....”

    Don't be afraid of this energy. It is your life force [in conjunction with the life force of the universe!] manifesting itself - often it is a sign of surging creativity yearning to be released into the universe. Enjoy!! Zid

  • lurk3r
    lurk3r

    This post here is not related to my Kundalini. If my experiences are a form of that even. I think it was the start of that direction though. Please mind my errors as I have never written anything like this before in my adult life.

    It was a hot summer. Too hot to sleep in the house. My ex and myself talked about how nice it would be to get away for a camping trip, but we knew we wouldn't be able to work it into the schedule...so hey, we decided to pitch a tent in the back yard, and spend a night or two under the stars.

    It was great. The pets we had loved it too. Our dog could sleep with us for once. The cats could do their thing too. All in the comfort of our tent, and we could be one big happy family.

    It was nice too. Laying back, listening to the trees swoosh around. It sure beat the whirl of the ceiling fan. Our bed was a little lumpy too, and just sleeping on an air mattress for a change was really nice. I've always loved change, as long as I was one who wanted it. Change; any change, on my terms though. Moving the furniture around or painting a room for example...it made things "new". I like new things too. Little did I know, that night was beginning of new changes for me...only I wasn't the one in control, and it was one that I really didn't want.

    It was a long time ago. 95'. As long ago as it was, I still remember like it was yesterday...maybe even like it was 10 minutes ago. This is the first time I have ever put it in print, and I can feel my heart racing a tad as i type. Perhaps this is why I like elephants so much now that I think about it again. They don't forget, and neither can I. Do elephants remember the good things that happen to them too? Or like me, mostly just the bad?

    Our yard had I big empty lot behind it. Multiple lots, and it was all vacant.

    I'll never forget the little girl that woke me up that morning. She sounded as though she was very young. I love my sleep, and this little girl woke me up out of a very deep one.

    It must have been around 6am. The sun was making its way up, and I wanted no part of it. It was time to go back to sleep. As I started to drift towards unconsciousness yet again, I heard her crying.Her sound was really only a whimper, but it was enough to make me pay attention. My eyes opened. With my head laying down, facing the direction of the lots behind us, I could tell she was back there. Ignorance indeed IS bliss, and I just wanted to sleep, so i ignored her, and did my best to drift of once again....my eyes closed once more. My blood was pumping through my body, driving me towards consciousness. The small girl, was still whimpering, and soon it became apparent that If was to return to sleep, this girl was going to have to stop.

    The inside of our tent was motionless. Wife, dog, cats; everyone but me sleeping away. I sat up, preparing myself for a bit of a confrontation with this girl who insisted upon waking me. The nerve, it was SOO early.( i know it sounds mean, as i should have been concerned with this whimpering, but i was still half asleep)

    As i sat up, in the blink of an eye, this is when it all changed for me. The girl was crying from behind the empty lots behind the house! But not now she wasn't, her whimper came from IN FRONT of the tent, TOWARDS my house! At this point, fear enveloped me. I started to sweat and started making some promises to god. "I will not do this anymore, I will not do that anymore" etc etc. This wasn't something natural to me.I had always believed in spirits, could this be evidence? I sat there in fear and tried my best to consider my options...this was all "new" and I didn't like it one bit. "She" no longer had a whimper, as that "voice" of a little girl changed...it was now just a sound. Not a monotone sound, it was more like a few notes played in succession. Maybe something like 3 notes off of a pipe organ or something. Each note lasting a little less than a second, and there were three, each successively higher in note than the following. "WEEE,EEE,eee." It was very sobering for me to TRY and come to grips with this, just sitting there feeling the fear and my mind racing to keep up.

    Pooch put his head up and got to his feet as i sat there, tail waggin and ready to take on a new day. "This must be all in your head lurk3r", I thought to myself, "Your losing it bad". Ex was still asleep, but now the kittens were at work. Time to open the tent and let everyone out. My heart was pounding like a jackhammer still, there was no stopping it. I can't remember how my breath was at the time, but I bet it was short and quick.

    I grabbed the zipper and started to slide it open; slowly. The animals could't wait to get out, the sun was a little higher now and it was starting to get humid, some fresh air was welcome... tbc

    fear

    lurk3r

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    lurk3r

    No comment except that I enjoyed reading it and am looking forward to the continuation. :)

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Hi,

    I think the bible speaks for itself.

    Genesis 3:13 (New International Version)

    13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
    The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

    2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (New International Version)

    3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

    Revelation 12:9 (New International Version)

    9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    Ecclesiastes 10:11 (New International Version)

    11 If a snake bites before it is charmed,
    there is no profit for the charmer.

    Luke 11:11-13 (New International Version)

    11 "Which of you fathers, if your son asks for [ a ] a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

    Luke 10:17-19 (New International Version)

    17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name."

    18 He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

    Trust me, this snake might look charming but its bite comes later. The only spirit you want entering your body is the Spirit of Jesus. Also, He is the only authority by which this Kundalini spirit will leave too.

    Al the best,

    Stephen

  • poppers
    poppers

    Also, He is the only authority by which this Kundalini spirit will leave too.

    Oh sheeesh! Kundalini is not a spirit. There seems to be a demonic element to everything that Christians don't understand.

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