What % of WT Society Higher Ups Really Believe what the WT Teaches ? (page 4)

flipper

Wow ! Great responses everybody ! Thanks so much. Been working a lot, now I'll respond.

MAD GIANT- I was a witness for 44 years - and I agree with you. I don't think the upper level witnesses believe what they are dishing out either. I think it's all a scam to rip people off. Like you say they cover their backs about everything. Child abuse, blood transfusions, U.N., etc. and yes like you said it's about money and power . I agree totally.

MRS. FIORNI- I think the leaders justify what they do because of the " status, prestige, and power " they receive. So they justify the means whereby in the end result of what they get for themselves. I think the GB knows full well what deception they are pulling - even if a few of them are confused. Most of them aren't. I believe it's intentional.

ROBERT 7- It could be that the GB is mind controlled as the rest of the rank and file witnesses to believe their own BS - but I have my doubts. I think they know what they are doing in scamming people.

HOMEROVAH- Interesting experience about Nathan Knorr. I think like Hopscotch said these upper echelon WT people love recognition and adulation from rank and file members , and are out for their own advantage.

FLYING HIGH NOW- Ray Franz said the GB pretty much believed it in the early 1980's - but I wonder if that is true now in 2009 ?

MKR 32208- I agree ! I feel maybe 10% believe what they teach - that's about it !

HOPSCOTCH- Good excellent points you bring out ! Like your relatives, I'm sure there are lots of upper level witnesses receiving massive benefits from the WT society. So you are right - even if they doubted what they believe and teach- why would they stop ? They are benefitting materially too much.

GARY BUSS- Exactly. JW's have policies, not beliefs. They enforce the monitoring of speech and behavior. It is a business corporation.

BABA YAGA- Very profound on Buss's part I thought as well.

BURN the SHIPS- So you think the upper level people believe it ?

SAMMIE's WIFE- I agree. I think most of the leaders of the WT society don't believe it either. I think you are right - they have to put on the JW face in front of the rank and file members and Bethelites, but put on another face off by themselves if they doubt. Can't show doubt in front of the members they teach. And good point you bring out that I agree with that they " believe they have done nothing wrong and may be incapable of true emotional depth " I've thought that same thing for years and years.

GUBBERNING BODY- I agree. I think the GB are all Nazi's also. Just following orders like the Germans did.

SCARRED for LIFE- It might be too painful for the GB to admit the truth about themselves. They do justify everything in their minds - perhaps they call it " deception for Jehovah. "

JW FACTS- I think a lot of rank and file question some teachings - but perhaps some of the GB are like that and ask, " Where else would I go ? "

COCO- Good points you bring up ! Excellent ! I mean who would have thought Nathan Knorr - president of the WT society would make a comment like, " Other things I'm not so certain about. 1914- I DON"T KNOW. We have talked about 1914 for a long time. We may be right and I HOPE we are. " To me - That shows that even upper level witnesses doubt the doctrines- even the leaders of the JW cult.

STILLAJWEXELDER- Indeed they may doubt- but the upper level boys won't give up their benefits I guarantee that !

YADDA YADDA2- I do hope the % of the upper level witnesses doubting is going to increase as time goes by.

WOBBLE- For sure if only 1% of the doctrines are false - then they all are !

WT WIZARD- I agree that the GB are probably atheists ! Especially guys like Jaracz who feel THEY are God. They did know 1975 would be a bust so they made up excuses to explain it away. Now they have taken that 1975 date totally out of newer copies of the " truth " book. Shows they knew it was wrong .

OLIN MOYLES GHOST- Good points you make ! Excellent points. I agree that the GB doesn't believe it's own doctrines. But I will go one step further and say they think they ARE GOD ! Not just God's channel of communication. I believe they are huge egotists who arrogantly want to be adored by rank and file members ! And very true JW's believe in nothing- just a fantasy.

MINIMUS- I agree they cling to believing the lie , but ohers of them believe it's a scam. Very true

flipper

Interesting responses so far ! It looks like from reading all your comments that about 50 % of you feel the GB and higher ups believe their own teachings - but about 50% of you feel they don't believe their own teachings ! Very interesting. Any and all comments welcome. Let's keep this going. Thanks

caliber

Human beings have an amazing capacity for self-deception. Those who run the WT are no different. .. Mrs. Fiorini

I agree with this statement whole heartedly... sincerity of belief is always the greatest driving force !

When you are submerged a sieve in water you see no leaks !

Insincerity is always weakness; sincerity even in error is strength.”George H. Lewes

Sincerity gives wings to power."

Caliber

flipper

CALIBER- Very true- I think most if not 99 % of Jehovah's Witnesses are deluded and self deceived. And the 1 % that claim they aren't self-deceived need to wake up and smell the coffee

Spook

I think it's probably similar to the theologians of other faiths, according to Ehrman, Avalos and others. Their contention is that many of the Phd's in theology know that most of their respective systems articles of faith are on poor footing, but justify it in this way:

We have faith, there isn't any better idea, and it would be too distrubing to reveal the whole truth.

So the JW higher ups probably believe they have the truth, but aren't going to admit they aren't sure about things since to them "it doesn't matter anyway."

flipper

SPOOK- Good point you make. Interestingly enough the ones at the top of the WT society , the governing body, the corporate attorneys, the ones that control the finances- probably DON'T WANT the rank and file witnesses to know what's going on - because if they knew - they probably wouldn't be so willing to donate to the WT worldwide pedophile defense fund.

And yes- you are right- it would be too problematic for the leaders of the WT society to reveal the whole truth to it's members or try explaining all the doctrinal switches to them. So to cover their backside they say, " Just have faith ! " that they are leading the " sheep " the right way. More and more the governing body and WT society are demanding of it's members " Don't question ! Just do what we say ! " It's becoming more like that. Very dangerous

Homerovah the Almighty

The devise mechanisms that trap and lure people into this religion have been established decades ago by the more prominent leaders such as J. Rutherford,

the end of this system of things is near, Paradise restored on earth bla bla bla.....

The GB members today are just some that got mentally entrapped by the previous leaders, but now they have the responsibility to keep

the flock intact and keep the support flowing in. Unfortunately god's only solemn earthly organization was built and constructed on manipulative

bullshit and the exploitation of the bible and its inherent beliefs, in essence a false kingdom has been constructed.

Its very falsehoods are now being exposed on the inter-net, such as this forum.

The GB members know well what got them into their positions and their also probably aware what can put them out as well.

They have the responsibility to tow the party line as it were, just to maintain their privileged stature in the organization,

which may very well solidify most of their beliefs that they adhere to.

flipper

HOMEROVAH- Very true what you say about the GB members having been entrapped by the same previous leaders who were in turn entrapped themselves by previous leaders . A viscious cycle to be sure. But those at the top are all guilty of manipulating the masses in the witness organization and using mind control to further their own agendas . Control and power . The leaders are into the control and power over people- whether they believe it or not. But like you say- thank our lucky stars for the internet as it is the " information highway " which is exposing the WT society for what it really is - a mind controlling cult

Homerovah the Almighty

The corruption probably started when someone came up with the idea of proclaiming the WTS. as actually god's

organization and this is the only religion that god is using to bring forth his spiritual message.

Of course this did nothing but help to better their circulation of their literature and put an abundance of power into the hands

of a few select men. I don't think Russell was so power driven as Rutherford was, Russell's character to me comes off as being more

sales/business oriented where Rutherford on the other hand comes off as power obtaining narcissistic type of individual.

In any case he could see well ahead of what the WTS could offer him and as one can see he obtained a great deal of power and wealth,

far and above what normally could be obtained in his era of life. Its unfortunate that still to this day these mens actions are responsible for

many a damaged lives, totaling in the millions. Now thats a Great Tribulation if there ever was one .

flipper

HOMEROVAH- Good points you make. You know the expression, " Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. " Lots of truth in that. Very true as you say these men, Russell and Rutherford as well as the other presidents in the witness organization have started believing their own illusions that they are put there by God to lead the followers to the promised land. They are " legends in their own minds ". And yes- these mens actions have made many a person waste their lives on a fantasy which will never happen. In the 1920's Rutherford said, " Millions now living will never die. " Guess what ? They're all dead. I guess they lied. And all the people living now hoping in this pipedream will all be dead in the year 2109 as well- 100 years from now. Truly sad people waste their lives

What % of WT Society Higher Ups Really Believe what the WT Teaches ?

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