Do you believe in MIRACLES? (page 4)

snowbird

I believe in amazing and wonderful things, just not miracles.

Do elaborate, Stewie. What sort of amazing and wonderful things?

Thanks.

Sylvia

drwtsn32

Do elaborate, Stewie. What sort of amazing and wonderful things?

Birth of a child is way up there, of course. The fact that we exist is pretty great. How the universe works inspires awe. The list is endless. But nothing is a miracle in the sense that it is supernatural.

snowbird

Oh, I see.

Birth of a child, you say? How about conception? That out of millions of sperm, one decided that there would be a Stewie and a Sylvia. I find that nothing short of a miracle.

The fact that we exist? I would say miraculous considering the hostile environment with which we have to contend, i.e., diseases, accidents, conflicts, wars, etc.

How the universe works? Awe-inspiring, but not miraculous? I would say miraculous given the seeming timelessness of the universe, and yet it continues.

Just thinking along those lines gives me the shivers!

Sylvia

Caedes

The dangers of magical thinking

A Tunisian pilot who paused to pray instead of taking emergency measures before crash-landing his plane, killing 16 people, has been sentenced to 10 years in jail by an Italian court along with his co-pilot.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0324/breaking25.htm

Monty,

I am in no doubt that religious people are capable of appreciating the wonder of just being here; but why can you not address the implications of your belief? If your god is responsible for helping you with whatever individual misfortune you have avoided then he is responsible for not acting on behalf of thousands of other human beings every day. What makes you so special that your god is willing to act on your behalf but not for the thousands of other people who are suffering every day.

(Please note that last sentence sounds a lot more critical than I am meaning it, but lets be honest people in the western world are not in need of miracles.)

Yes, it is a wonderful world for you and I in a modern western home with all the luxuries money can buy; for other people life isn't so easy

Whilst I know that I am incredibly priviledged in this world it is down to a lucky accident of birth, some hard work and enough brains to avoid a lifetime washing windows and knocking on doors. A Miracle had nothing to do with it.

Sylvia,

Are you saying that you believe that your god has yet to come across an amputee worthy of one of his miracles? Do you think you will ever live to see an amputee benefitting from one of god's miracles (I would think miracles must be easy to come by based on the responses to this thread)

John Doe

Just thinking along those lines gives me the shivers!

Shivers? I'd say more like the mental runs. Need some Immodium?

snowbird

Do you think you will ever live to see an amputee benefitting from one of god's miracles?

That is my hope - and the hope of the entire creation, whether they realize it or not.

John Doe, you can go to Sheol, you old son of Belial!

Sylvia

drwtsn32

How about conception? That out of millions of sperm, one decided that there would be a Stewie and a Sylvia. I find that nothing short of a miracle.

Sure. But it is a natural process, not supernatural. Amazing? Yes. Supernatural? No. Same goes with the other comments you made.

I think many are using the term "miraculous" more loosely than I am. That's why I defined exactly what I meant by it. :)

snowbird

I hear you.

What you see as amazing, I see as miraculous.

It's all good.

Sylvia

John Doe

John Doe, you can go to Sheol, you old son of Belial!

Is Sheol miraculous? How about peanut butter. Is peanut butter miraculous?

snowbird

Sheol is miraculous in the sense that none of their own volition can escape its clutches.

Peanut butter is miraculous to a starving person.

Sylvia

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